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Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: None of it ended well for any of the people who stepped forward.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Sure.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: My question is for the HEA. Why was this Mazars report and examination limited to an overview of the university's own process?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay, that is fair enough.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I suggest to the HEA that it should consider that deeper investigation. I note it is at greater remove now. My view is, for the purpose of reassuring this committee and, more importantly, with an eye to proper procedure and good governance in the university, that deeper process is still required.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Freudian slip.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: We will see. How many people work in the finance department?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: About 38. In the course of this afternoon's meeting, we have discussed persons A, B and C. That is three people. That is quite a high percentage. It is almost 10% of the staffing levels of the department. I am concerned because what I am hearing from the witnesses is that in the case of person A, the person was unwell. In the case of persons B and C, they were, the witnesses allege,...

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I know. Person B replaced person A, did they not?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Remind us who carried out that investigation and who arrived at that decision.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Say that again.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who is Gerry Mitchell?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I want to know who carried out the investigation. Who are they?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay. Did they make the initial finding of a malicious allegation?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: At no stage was this an internal university disciplinary panel or procedure.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Quite outside of the allegations of physical threats and bullying, on the issues around expenses and the experiences of persons B and C, did their complaints mirror those of person A?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I appreciate that but, leaving aside the physical bullying and intimidation, I simply want to establish that the complaints in respect of the expenses system of persons B and C echoed the complaints of person A. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: So they were in a similar vein. Can the professor understand why that would raise alarm for people like us? What we are seeing now is a pattern, are we not? I ask the witness to leave aside the bullying and intimidation piece and to focus in on the systems part of it. It is not just one person raising these complaints, nor two; it is in fact three people from a pool of 38. That is quite...

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: In what respect, concisely, if the witness could?

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