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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I know that because I asked a parliamentary question on this. I think that is dancing on a pin. For me, if somebody is not resident in the State, in the spirit of the Act, they should cease to be on the board. There are additional costs on this. The HEA or the Department needs to examine this.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Of course.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: There are other ways of doing that. I disagree with the HEA's interpretation. I agree with it technically but I disagree with the spirit of the interpretation and think it should be re-examined.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: There are additional expenses. The HEA is bringing in two people from outside the country. Returning to the HEA, on the question that was asked previously about the retirement function for the previous president of Cork Institute of Technology, CIT, and the €13,000 about which we all know, the HEA requested that this €13,000 be paid back. Has it received this money back?...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: What is for consideration?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Are you happy?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Okay, but are you happy?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Potentially?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is either acceptable or it is not. Dr. Love should give us his opinion.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: The HEA might show that answer to the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is fine but that will be next week.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: CIT can produce the document to the committee. Someone might give it to us while we are sitting there.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Is there anybody here who can supply us with that document now?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Can Dr. O'Connor ask somebody here to do it?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Will the Chairman give me back my time, please?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is a bit more than that. Following up on that, the HEA did write to this committee to say that it was not happy about the controls in place here, and was unhappy with the role and powers of the financial controller and the process by which they could write their own cheques. I looked at the board minutes of CIT from 2 February 2017. A Mr. O'Sullivan asked for an update on the...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will put the question to Dr. Love again and he might answer it, please. Is that not alarming to the HEA that there was no external person on the finance committee up to 2017?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Does Dr. Love think it would be worth examining why that was the case?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: No, I am thinking about the past, not the future.

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