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Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Of course it had been approved. I am not disputing that. We know it had been approved.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I know the €15,000 claim was approved-----

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: -----but what I am querying is not the fact that these matters were approved. The professor has asserted that Person A identified minor issues that required improvement. That is not a minor issue. It is not a minor issue that, according to Person A, there was messing going on and interference from high level management to lean on staff within the university to award expenses that were not...

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: We will come to Mazars.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Correct.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Was Person A wrong?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Was that the one on spa treatments?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I accept that was not paid. If that had been paid, that would seriously set the chattering classes in Limerick alight in terms of someone having spa treatments paid for by the taxpayer.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who carried out the university's internal review? I ask the Chairman to bear with me on this line of questioning. Person A, and I assume we will get to Persons B and C later, came forward. The allegations were made. Let us stick to the seven, although there were more. Mr. Field had his own internal inquiry. Obviously, that was an assessment.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who headed that up?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Who helped Mr. Field with that? Did he do it alone?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: His financial controller.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The university examined itself.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am just trying to establish the facts. The university examined itself regarding all of these matters.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: What did the interaction with the Comptroller and Auditor General consist of?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: How did Mr. Field interact with the Comptroller and Auditor General? Was it by letter?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Did the Comptroller and Auditor General pay Mr. Field a visit?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Into these matters.

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I accept that but there was not a detailed hands-on engagement by the Comptroller and Auditor General. Rolling the tape forward, so to speak, Mazars then came in. Am I correct in saying it was appointed by the Higher Education Authority, HEA, to carry out a review?

Public Accounts Committee: University of Limerick: Financial Statements 2014-2015 (30 Mar 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: What is curious is that the review is of the process by which the university carried out its own investigation. I put that to the HEA representative but also to the university witnesses. I would have been much happier if an independent outside agency had been given the entire job to do, not just the process by which the university reviewed matters, but to go in and examine the allegations....

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