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Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: The word used is "assist".

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: It is not "overrule".

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: That is the Senator's legal advice.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: That is fine.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I am glad the Senator declared it.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: The Senator did.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Because the Senator is in cahoots with him since the debate started.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Absolutely.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Half of the Seanad is saying that this engorged bureaucratic quango is going to cost a fortune that we cannot afford-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Then we have Senator McDowell and others intimating that it is going to be run on a shoestring. The fact is that there will be sufficient resources made available by the Minister for Justice and Equality and by the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, to ensure that the commission does the work required of it. I remind Senators that it is only the lay members of the commission and...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: It is members of the commission.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: We are referring to the non-judicial members of the commission. On Second Stage in the Dáil I said that the indication was that the commission would cost in the region of €1 million-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: -----to be-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I was criticised on the basis that this was an extraordinary amount of money for a body that would do very little. I was reminded of that by a senior counsel of some repute, in the Dáil I might add. Having regard to amendments made in the Dáil, and the fact that there would be less of a committee structure than we now have, I felt that it was reasonable to revise the figure...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Like every other piece of legislation that comes before this House, and the Leas-Chathaoirleach has been here a long time, as has Senator McDowell, albeit it not-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: Albeit not as long as Senator Norris-----

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: As with every other piece of legislation it will be a matter for the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform and the Minister for Justice and Equality to determine the level of remuneration for those commission members. This provision is standard but the amount will not be hugely different to that which obtains throughout the public sector for attendance at commissions or board meetings.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I am not in a position now to give precise details of the sum that will be made available to the lay members of the commission, which will allow them to attend meetings to facilitate the nomination of some 50 persons per year for appointment.

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: I put it to Senators McDowell and Norris that in the context of the procedures committee managing a selection or recruitment process, it would appear to be logical and advisable the committee would have access to expertise in the form of an adviser or consultant who may be required to provide a certain level of advice on best practice in the circumstances. I do not see anything alarming or...

Seanad: Judicial Appointments Commission Bill 2017: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Jul 2018)

Charles Flanagan: -----and depending on the type of advice that might be given.On the issue of consultants or advisers, their appointment is subject to ministerial consent, as has been quoted. They will provide that advice in such a way that the Minister will exercise oversight by giving sanction or otherwise. That is not unusual across the public service system.

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