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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: Okay. That clarity alone is very helpful because that information on what is being looked at was lacking in the Minister's press release and it is lacking in the farming community. This meeting has, therefore, been a success in some ways. Will the Minister explain what the detailed mapping proposes? What is he proposing to do? Is he proposing to put areas in or take areas out? What...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: Will the Minister take the information from the stakeholders' group into consideration when he makes that submission?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: Before we go any further, I must declare that I am a derogation farmer who is contract rearing. I have only one way of meeting my targets, which is culling cows, so forgive me for being blunt, but this affects my livelihood.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: So the areas in the red area that will now potentially be stuck in the 220 kg N/ha will be stuck with a welfare issue. The majority of us, if not all of us, put our heifers and cows in calf in April or May. They will be calving in January or February. I have spoken to agricultural advisers and they are absolutely hopping at the idea that now, with all the other schemes put in place, they...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: But the red area and the white area debate has happened only in the past few minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: With the deepest respect to the Minister, I have only now got clarity from him that farmers in Barryroe who are potentially in the white area might be 250 kg N/ha. They were selling animals at Bandon mart last Monday because they thought they were in the 250 kg N/ha. Clarity has been very much required here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: Was the Department telling farmers not to put cows in calf last May and June on the back of the derogation? That is where this went wrong. Last January and last April and May, when I started my breeding programme, the Department had not issued any indication to me because the red map had not been published. We did not know where red and white were. Nobody could tell us where the 250 kg...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: But that still gives us the welfare issue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: Can the Minister clarify-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: Will the Minister clarify what exact submission he will make on 30 September and the timeline in which he hopes to get a response from the Commission? People were under the illusion that there would be no more conversations with the Commission.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: The public did not know it. The Minister might have known it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: A red and white map has been published. Is the Minister proposing major movements on that red and white map?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: On the nitrates statement-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: If I could ask the questions, that might be appropriate.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: I thank the Minister. I have two minutes and 50 seconds to speak. On the nitrates statement, farmers who want to export slurry and spread on the land have 14 days to actually do it. They are driving up a motorway at the moment because they do not have the information because the nitrates statement has not been published yet. Is that very unfair on the farming community? We have a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: Is it good enough though?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: The Minister's advice to me is to spread my slurry early in the year. It is to get it out early and work it into the land to make sure that we can reach our water quality but he will not give me my statement so that I can work out what I need to send.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: And be aware of it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: I will come back in afterwards.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Ireland's Water Quality and the Nitrates Derogation: Discussion (15 Sep 2023)

Tim Lombard: On that point, why do we not have the scope to test our own slurry here? Why are we taking an average? The majority of farmers are asked to make sure the nutrient value of what they are doing is appropriate. We have all been told this is what needs to be done and now we are taking an average. Surely there could be a mechanism put in place by the Department that a farmer could test his or...

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