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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Does the Department believe that the hospital will be open in 2025?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Will Mr. Quinn answer my question, please?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Will Mr. Quinn answer my question? Including commissioning, does the Department believe that this hospital will be open in 2025? That would probably see it opening in the middle of next winter’s flu season.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Six to nine months was the previous target.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I know, but will Mr. Quinn answer the question, please? He is the Department of Health’s representative at this meeting. I accept that he is a principal officer and not the assistant secretary or Secretary General, neither of whom are present, but does the Department believe that our national children’s hospital will be open in 2025?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Page 70 of the PwC report went through the risks going forward. One of them had to do with client changes. Since the GMP – for the audience, that means “gross maximum price” – was set, how many new and-or revised drawings have been issued to the contractor?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Remember the phrase “new and-or revised drawings”.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I understand, but there are people at home watching this. We had a sign-off on the design.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Yes, but we will not get into the history of the disputed phase B. The 6,000 drawings were redone three times plus, given the figure Mr. Devine set out. What was it again?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: That were either put in or revised.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: I know it is a massive project, but for the public watching, 23,000-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: But for the public, 23,000 drawings or more after the GMP-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: That is fine. I am sorry, but I need to move on. I have a set time. In major construction projects, there is always a change process and we understand that nothing will be set in stone. That is obvious. With a project of this scale, no one is suggesting it would be any different. How many change orders have been given to the contractor in the past six months?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Was that not very late in the day? Is there an issue with ceilings, light fittings, exit signs and so on?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: There are many people on that site, so this information is-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Briefly, please.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Okay. Mr. Devine has made his point. I thank him. I wish to ask about an important table we received from the board relating to how disputes were dealt with. We have to get to the nub of this. The employer’s representative makes adjudications. The witnesses have been clear as to how those were sorted out and the volume of claims, including the volume that were sorted and paid....

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Is it not settled or adjudicated?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: Let me tease this out. I understand it is non-binding, but whoever is on the losing side, for want of a better term and just using sporting parlance, would have to go to the High Court to change it. That is according to the board’s table.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2022: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (30 May 2024)

Alan Kelly: The conciliator is independent.

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