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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: What percentage of passports applied for in 2023 would have been processed in less than four weeks?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: I ask the witnesses to furnish the committee, through the clerk, with the percentage of passports that were applied for this year and the duration it took for them to be processed. It would be very interesting because I have not spoken to one breeder who has had their passports processed in less then two or three months, and I have spoken to quite a number of them. Breeders will be going to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: I am sure Mr. Duggan is aware of Leisure Horse Ireland. Is he?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: How is that organisation able to get its passports processed through Weatherbys in a swifter timeframe of half the time it takes with HSI? Maybe Mr. Duggan will say HSI totally changed the testing regime and all that but I am sure there would have been some form of lead-in time. Presumably the organisation does not just pull down the shutters and say that now people have to wait months and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: No, what I am saking is how much the Government puts into his organisation. I presume that Government funding goes right across the organisation with regard to staffing and everything like that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Why is Leisure Horse Ireland able to process its applications through the very same organisation, Weatherbys Ireland, which Horse Sport Ireland is using and Horse Sport Ireland is unable to do so. Is it because of the change in testing?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: If the breeder has not filled up all his or her paperwork correctly and everything like that, would the blame or fault be then put back to the breeder?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Whose fault is it then?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Does Mr. Duggan believed that his organisation is fit for purpose to be managing the processing of horse passports?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Mr. Duggan said there were a number of staff working in the passport section. How many were working in that section?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: How many staff are working in the passport section today?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: So there are 15 staff members working there today.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: How many of those staff members are new and needed training, and all such matters?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Why does Horse Sport Ireland believe that staff just want to leave his organisation, where there are many other organisations competing in a buoyant economy? Is it that they were just not happy in it?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: I would not condone that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: When the organisation was going into the new format of DNA testing it has introduced through Weatherbys Ireland, would Mr. Duggan as CEO and other senior staff members not have thought of the implications and the time it was going to take to process new applications? I am sure that when his organisation was bringing in new processes, it knew there were going to be delays and teething...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: What I am saying is that Mr. Duggan states that if the breeders had not got the correct information on some of their correspondence or paper, or what ever the position is, did Horse Sport Ireland not offer any mentoring or training, or whatever, to explain that in two years' or in 12 months' time that Horse Sport Ireland was changing the processing and that there would be a need for breeders'...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: The new processes or system which Horse Sport Ireland will be introducing or testing is out for tender at the moment. Am I correct in saying that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: What is Horse Sport Ireland's projections of the processing of a passport?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Kehoe: Hold on. It should not be driven by anything. I am sure the witnesses have looked at projections, but they are going to introduce a whole new system. They have to look at what my projection is. They will spend significant amounts of money on this new system. It is out for tender at the moment. If I was in the private sector and was introducing a new way of doing something, I would say...

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