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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: In more recent times, how did anonymity hinder the investigation from the anonymous complaint that was made? Why was a significant length of time spent by the Garda looking for the person who made the complaint to the Road Safety Authority, which was subsequently sent to the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport and to the Garda? Why did the Garda look for who it was rather than...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: Who was involved in the working group review of traffic equipment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: Who are the six people?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: An instruction was issued to middle management in 2015 about potential problems with recording of data and breath-testing. Was that instruction ignored?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: Was it followed through with regard to data we have seen today?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: So Ms O'Sullivan is confident that there was an accurate recording of data for everything following that instruction?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: I am asking about from when the instruction was issued as opposed to when measures had been taken following the national audit? Did the practice of inaccurate recording of data in the PULSE system continue following Ms O'Sullivan's instruction?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: At a local level, we know that approximately 1 million inaccurate or false records have been input on the PULSE system. Were false car registration numbers submitted? Has a representative sample of data been examined in this regard? What was actually submitted to make the data false?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: Can Mr. Finn give an example of how data were inaccurately recorded?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: We know that the issue is local, divisional, provincial and national. It probably affects every station and every section of the force. Does Mr. Finn accept that that is the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: Running through the vernacular of Ms O'Sullivan's statement are words such as "apology", "mistake", "controversy", "wrongdoing", "failure", "incorrect", "deception", "incompetence", "shameful" and "false". How would she describe this collection of words in terms of how the force is dealing with the matter?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: Does it involve individual wrongdoing in every station? To go a little further, it is beyond a marginal statistical mishap and probably beyond an individual mistake; we must, therefore, examine the matter to see what the cultural trigger was for this systematic failure. In her statement Ms O'Sullivan has given us much information on certain timelines, but we have very little information on...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: We know the "what" and want to know the "why", not the "how" or "when". We want to know what the specific trigger was within the force that drove this systematic failure, or do the representatives have an opinion?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: No, I asked for a hypothesis. We will have specifics at the conclusion of the audit. Surely, as a senior officer in the force, Mr. Finn has some hypothesis for what triggered this enormous cultural failure in the inputting of statistical data. Surely, he has some answer to the question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: Mr. Finn has no idea.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: I would like to hear some of them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: Will Mr. Finn refer to some of his idea as to what drove this systematic failure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: As we know that this happened everywhere, we need to know the representatives' views as to what was the overarching reason. I do not want to hear about individualisation or a specific division. I want to know what Mr. Finn's overarching hypothesis is, as an experienced member of the force, as to why this happened on such a systematic level.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Recent Controversies Concerning An Garda Síochána (30 Mar 2017)

Jack Chambers: I have a few more questions to ask, but perhaps I might get to them later. There must have been a cultural trigger for these actions and the representatives must provide some idea for the committee as to why they happened. It is not acceptable simply to wait for a factual understanding. They should give us, as senior members of the Garda, as the ones who accept responsibility collectively,...

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