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Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have been engaging on these issues for some time with the current witnesses and with other witnesses who appeared before this committee at previous meetings. We have heard a lot of detail and a lot of conflicting information on the use of private email accounts across the force. On a number of occasions, I have asked individual witnesses the same question, which was whether they had ever...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: -----in the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice and Equality five weeks ago. The message states:An Garda Síochána has previously confirmed that, on occasion, members of the organisation have used commercial email systems to send or receive business-related emails. That generally occurred when access to commercial email systems was available from Garda desktops, which is no...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is standard operating procedure.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: There are laws relating to time periods for a year and all this sort of stuff. We will not argue that point. Mr. Nugent said that members of the force and civilian members of the force were using private emails. In fairness, I have to acknowledge that he said that. If somebody used private email and communicated to a colleague using private email, no record is kept of those emails.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: How?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Can the Acting Commissioner confirm that all emails relating to Garda business are kept by An Garda Síochána? He should remember that Mr. Nugent, who is sitting beside him, confirmed to me in writing yesterday that all emails sent and received using Garda email are retained and I understand that. He has also confirmed that private email has been used. Can the Acting Commissioner...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Exactly.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Let me join the dots. In fairness to Mr. Nugent, his email to me last night was helpful in this instance. We have an acknowledgement that private email was used by people in the force - civilian and those of rank. We also have confirmation that emails sent and received on the Garda IT system are kept. However, we now have confirmation that in our State that where members use private email...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: May I explain something to the Acting Commissioner? It does not matter whether An Garda Síochána issues them with email addresses. Unless there is a diktat from the Commissioner basically saying members cannot use private email for business-----

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is good point because the Acting Commissioner has led me to my next question which I have asked on numerous occasions of every witness who has appeared before this committee and the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice and Equality in this regard. It was a waste of time so now I will rephrase it. I ask Mr. Nugent not to answer for everyone because he is only one individual. I want...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is not impossible.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I do not accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: We know-----

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: With all due respect-----

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I find that answer very disingenuous because Mr. Nugent is missing one basic component of what I said on purpose. It is none of my business if Mr. Nugent uses his private email to communicate with Mr. Ó Cualáin or Mr. Kelly to discuss the results of a GAA match or a golf game that is happening. This is about official Garda business and documentation being shared. My question, the...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Or received?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is what I asked. if Mr. Nugent listens-----

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I challenge Mr. Nugent to go back and read the record of what I said.

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