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Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: The prisons inspectorate has been subject to a slight decrease. The Garda Ombudsman Commission has almost the same as it had; there is no major change.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: We will move onto subhead A4 pertaining to public private partnership, PPP, costs and there is no change there.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: Is the Deputy back on subhead A3?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: The Minister, on plans for Limerick courthouse.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: Deputy Mac Lochlainn also wishes to come in on the PPP.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: If everyone is satisfied, we will move onto subhead A4, on the PPP costs. Everyone is happy with that. The next item pertains to appropriations-in-aid, which covers fees for court transactions, miscellaneous items, pensions and so on and again, and there is no major change in this regard. That concludes the Estimates for the Courts Service. If everyone is satisfied with the Courts Service...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: The Deputy can do so in another way. We are dealing with the Estimates. Policy is a different matter. Under subhead A4 prison services, the Estimate has been reduced from €40 million to €28 million. This relates to prisoner catering, clothing, bedding, furniture, cleaning and laundry, gratuities, medical supplies, work training and recreation. Do members wish to discuss...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: The Estimate for the year 2014 is €2,873,000. This is to cover for personal injuries and damages to property sustained by offenders while in custody, prison service staff in the course of duties, civilians injured in prison property and injured parties in traffic accidents involving prison service vehicles. It would be interesting to get a breakdown on those four items.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: There are eight social disadvantage measures funded from the dormant accounts. We come to the appropriations-in-aid and the largest individual item in subhead B relates to receipts from pension related deductions and public service remuneration. The next item is the Courts Service. Vote 22, subhead A1 is salaries, wages and allowances, in which there is a slight reduction, salaries,...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: There is an extra €2 million in the Estimates for this year. Where will it go?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: We will move on to the prisons which is Vote 21 and will start with subhead A1 which concerns salaries, wages and allowances. Again, there is a slight change and I invite questions and comments from members.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: Does anybody else want to comment on subhead A1? No. We will now move on to subhead A2, travel and subsistence, which is more or less the same. The next one is incidental expenses, for which there is a slight reduction. The next item is post and communication services, for which there is no change. The next item is office and external IT services, for which there is a slight change. Is...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: Which subhead is the Deputy speaking to?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: The Minister addressed that in his initial opening remarks.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: I ask the Minister to be brief because he has covered this issue already.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: I thank the Minister. Is everyone happy with that?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: Which subhead is the Deputy speaking to?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: Excuse me, Deputy McGrath-----

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: Sorry, Deputy, please. We are actually dealing with subheads here.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2014
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána (Revised)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Revised)
Vote 22 - Courts Service (Revised)
Vote 23 - Property Registration Authority (Revised)
Vote 24 - Department of Justice and Equality (Revised)
(29 Jan 2014)

David Stanton: I am sorry but we cannot divert away from the subheads. If the Deputy wishes to bring that up, he will be facilitated in another forum. We cannot go down that road now because other Deputies will have other cases they wish to raise but that is not what this meeting is about. We are dealing with subheads and I made that very clear from the start. We are dealing with the subheads as they arise.

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