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Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: How?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Can the Acting Commissioner confirm that all emails relating to Garda business are kept by An Garda Síochána? He should remember that Mr. Nugent, who is sitting beside him, confirmed to me in writing yesterday that all emails sent and received using Garda email are retained and I understand that. He has also confirmed that private email has been used. Can the Acting Commissioner...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Exactly.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Let me join the dots. In fairness to Mr. Nugent, his email to me last night was helpful in this instance. We have an acknowledgement that private email was used by people in the force - civilian and those of rank. We also have confirmation that emails sent and received on the Garda IT system are kept. However, we now have confirmation that in our State that where members use private email...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: May I explain something to the Acting Commissioner? It does not matter whether An Garda Síochána issues them with email addresses. Unless there is a diktat from the Commissioner basically saying members cannot use private email for business-----

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is good point because the Acting Commissioner has led me to my next question which I have asked on numerous occasions of every witness who has appeared before this committee and the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Justice and Equality in this regard. It was a waste of time so now I will rephrase it. I ask Mr. Nugent not to answer for everyone because he is only one individual. I want...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is not impossible.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I do not accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: We know-----

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: With all due respect-----

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I find that answer very disingenuous because Mr. Nugent is missing one basic component of what I said on purpose. It is none of my business if Mr. Nugent uses his private email to communicate with Mr. Ó Cualáin or Mr. Kelly to discuss the results of a GAA match or a golf game that is happening. This is about official Garda business and documentation being shared. My question, the...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: Or received?

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is what I asked. if Mr. Nugent listens-----

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I challenge Mr. Nugent to go back and read the record of what I said.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: We might even give a compliment in the process.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have one observation that does not affect the lads here. It is incredible that the Policing Authority has a role in respect of anyone being appointed to any role in An Garda Síochána. It does and that is right. However, it has no role in respect of contracts of €26.5 million. That is a weakness and as legislators we need to deal with that. It is not the fault of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: Garda Internal Audit Report on ICT Directorate Payments Process (31 May 2018)

Alan Kelly: How many tax numbers are there?

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