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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I hate cutting speakers short but a number of Deputies are offering. I call Deputy MacSharry now and we will have ten minute slots to enable others to contribute. The Deputy can contribute a second time if he wants to.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: On what date was the meeting held?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Am I right in understanding that the State is liable to be charged a penalty for not signing by a certain date?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: There was a time limit in the original contract and if it did not go ahead by a certain date there would be a penalty. How much was the penalty to the State for not proceeding at that time?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Right. The State would potentially make a loss if it did not sign phase B by a certain date.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: As such there was pressure to sign it in time. If it was not signed in time and there was then a decision to sign it after further consideration, the State would pay a penalty. The witnesses have been here for two and a half hours. This is the first I have heard of that. Was this penalty made clear to the Joint Committee on Health in the previous three meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Before I go to Deputy Jonathan O'Brien, I must say I am very disappointed to hear that after 11 hours in three meetings of the Joint Committee on Health, three hours in this committee and several opening statements from every representative of the board at all of those committees, it has only now been extracted that the State faced a penalty clause for not signing on time. The witnesses...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are not contractors. Mr. Costello should not expect us to understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Costello assumed everyone understood all that because he understood it.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: After 14 or 15 hours of Oireachtas meetings, that is only coming out now. I would have hoped this would have come out before. That is all I am saying. The witnesses understood it, but the public did not understand it.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: That figure should be €60 million, I would imagine.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am saying to the Secretary General, who is the Accounting Officer, that we will be adjourning and will be back at approximately 2.30 p.m. We need a sheet on this desk and it is horrific to think it is not available at the drop of a hat. We should have had it in a briefing note. We want, as the Deputy said, the three main contractors, BAM, Jones and Mercury, €550 million,...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is only one overall figure.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Not the history, just the------

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I must ask the Deputy to finish up as the voting bloc in the Dáil is beginning. He will get back in immediately afterwards.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy O'Connell.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy's time is up and I want to bring in the final contributor.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is basic.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: As there are quite a few votes to be taken, we will resume at 2.30 p.m.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will conclude on that point and come back at 2.30 p.m.

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