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Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am sure it has happened but it is unusual.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: What I am trying to figure out is the methodology or framework relating to an individual who is paid, tenured, financed, supported and facilitated by taxpayers' and public moneys, although not exclusively so.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I understand that. When somebody innovates, there is no issue around a person rightfully staking a claim to what comes from that. I am trying to understand if there is a set formula or protocol. How does one disentangle that and figure out who gets what?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Forgive me if Dr. Browne referred to this earlier but we heard about a procedure around intellectual property and its commercialisation relating to a different institution. I assume that the National University of Ireland, Galway, NUIG, has written protocols.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: How does NUIG record on a case-by-case basis how those proportions are figured out as regards who gets what and who has what stake? All of that is-----

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The intellectual property is created, those involved stake their claim and new money is put on the table because investors will become involved so that has an implication for the university's stake and, presumably, for the individuals

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: In circumstances where the spin-off is sold off and disposed of and where cash comes upfront, that is really where who gets what and what stake somebody has really come into focus.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is Dr. Browne satisfied that NUIG has received its fair share?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Of course, it does.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I wish to reassure Dr. Browne that the reason why I am pursuing this line of questioning on this topic is because I share that view.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is why I am anxious that we get a look under the bonnet. Dr. Browne has given me his position on this for which I thank him. Is he equally satisfied that NUIG has avoided a scenario where these spin-offs have become a cash cow or a big personal opportunity for the individual, as opposed to being an opportunity for the institution? Let me paint the picture. This is a laywoman's view. I...

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: All of that is paid for and the taxpayer has skin in the game.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I would be very troubled if it was to become apparent that on the balance of things, all of that resulted in a big opportunity for an individual, whose contribution I am not questioning, as opposed to a payback for the institution.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is robust. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: We have made a request of the Comptroller and Auditor General to carry out an investigation in this area.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: My final point is on whistleblowers. In May 2014, Seán Ó Foghlú told us that he had told the colleges to sort out whistleblowing matters prior to July 2014. We passed the protected disclosures legislation, which was rather novel. I want Dr. Browne to briefly outline his experience of protected disclosures and how they have been managed. Did Dr. Browne sort out any...

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Please do.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Can the HEA and the Department confirm that is the case?

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am asking them to do so.

Public Accounts Committee: National University of Ireland Galway: Financial Statement 2013-2014 (6 Apr 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: What protocols or procedures does the college have for whistleblowers or protected disclosures? Is there a confidential recipient?

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