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Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon: Financial Statements 2015 (4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: It is not a statutory instrument and is not provided for in legislation. That is very important for the public watching this on the Internet. In that request from the Department, which the board clearly accepted, the board removed the "several" others, to quote Dr. Brady, from the party, as it were, or from the process.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon: Financial Statements 2015 (4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Others can continue with this thread because I have taken some time. My very last question is whether it is possible to successfully manage the team when one has lost the dressing room.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon: Financial Statements 2015 (4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I do not know who the people outside the gates here protesting are then.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I thank the Commissioner and the rest of the witnesses. I was a bit late and the Commissioner was in midstream delivering her opening statement so I probably missed some of the introductions. There are 16 people in the room. We will not go through them all but could Mr. Barrett give me his title and role?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Within the Garda?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Since when?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: As mine is in airplane mode, it could not be mine. Mr. Kelly is the head of audit and was the head of audit for one of the Departments previously.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: We have the deputy commissioner, the Commissioner and the chief administrative officer for the entirety of An Garda Síochána.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Does the deputy commissioner have specific authority for the college?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Will Mr. Ruane tell me his title and role?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Mr. Ruane is effectively a lawyer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Is Mr. Ruane based in Phoenix Park?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: What is Mr. Culhane's title and role?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Therefore, Mr. Culhane is not a member of the force? Listening to the evidence, we seem a highlighting of problems in 2006. It came up a different places. Mr. Kelly said that at one stage, the Commissioner wrote to the then head of administration to say that An Garda Síochána had to deal with it and send it to the Garda Síochána Inspectorate and the Comptroller and...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I like Mr. Barrett's qualifications for now. We do not know that yet. The Commissioner said that she is asking whether there are reasonable grounds to support the contention that a crime has been committed. She said that her view, which was demonstrated to Mr. Barrett, was "No". Mr. Barrett has said that it is neither "Yes" or "No" pending further investigations. Is that also the case?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Of course.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Of course, which would be the same for my business or-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: That much was clear. We will not know whether other more prescriptive acts such as embezzlement come into play until much later date, if at all. In Mr. Barrett's experience, and in the knowledge he is only there since 2015, does he think the balance of probability, notwithstanding the fact he likes to qualify his answers, which is okay for now because we need to get more information-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore
(4 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: -----is that somewhere between 2006 and the Commissioner writing to whomever to have this pass the Garda internal audit service and the Comptroller and Auditor General, somebody somewhere yet to be named, or nameable even, took the view to sit on this because it made the Garda look bad?

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