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Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Does the Senator want to reserve it for the next Stage, bearing in mind Senator Norris?

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Every vote takes 20 minutes. That is fine but it means we will not get through much of this.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: I am just making the point that Senator Norris will address the same issue on Report Stage. Perhaps there is not a need to divide the House at this point but if the Senator wants to-----

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: I accept that but it is really for the Chair to clarify matters.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: There was a reference to that made already by some Senators.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: It is possible for any Senator at any stage to withdraw an amendment at this point and reintroduce it at the next Stage if he or she wants.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: We have the Senator's point. Standing Order 129, which is titled "Amendments on Report", reads:In the case of a Bill reported from a Committee of the whole Seanad only such amendments as arise out of proceedings in Committee may be moved on Fourth Stage. Amendments previously rejected in Committee of the whole Seanad shall not be in order. If something is rejected-----

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: I am telling the Senator that is the wording. It is not my wording. If we listen to the wording, "amendments previously rejected in Committee of the whole Seanad shall not be in order", if the subject matter, by my reading of it, is rejected at this point, the same subject matter cannot be brought back on Report Stage.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Yes, the Senators do.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: That is the point.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: That was not the intention of anyone.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: I am reading out the Standing Order so the Senators know the backup that is there in respect of it. If an amendment is put forward now and it falls, it cannot be reintroduced in the same wording. If the wording is different, if it is wider or changed in some form, then it is a new amendment, albeit quite similar, and can be introduced at the next Stage. At this stage, I think everybody who...

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Amendment No. 8 is in Senator O'Sullivan's name. Is the Senator pressing the amendment?

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: First of all, is the Senator pressing the amendment?

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Amendments Nos. 9 are 10 are ruled out of order as they involve a potential charge on the Revenue.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Amendment No. 11 has already been discussed with amendment No. 1. Is the amendment being pressed?

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: It has already been discussed, so it cannot be discussed again. The Senator can speak on section 12 if he wants. The amendment has already been discussed but he can speak on the section.

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: Is the Senator speaking on section 12?

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: The Senator is questioning the ruling out of order?

Seanad: Technological Universities Bill 2015: Committee Stage (7 Feb 2018)

Gerry Horkan: I have received the following note which I will read. It is headed, "Note for information of Chair re amendments ruled out of order". Referring to amendments Nos. 10 and 14 it states:[Amendments Nos. 10 and 14] seek to require that at least one representative is appointed to the governing body from each institute merging. The amendment would have the effect of increasing the minimum number...

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