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Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Less than an hour. We have been round the houses again. We all know and are fairly familiar with this at this stage. I will not go into the nitty-gritty of who said what or when. I find it strange that the State Claims Agency, SCA, and the HSE met following the SCA's letter. I am not sure of the appropriateness of it. From another angle, and Mr. Connaghan might listen, part of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Does he accept that he totally and utterly confused this committee with his evidence? According to the story we are being told, two meetings were mixed up. I appreciate Mr. Connor's directness on that. To be fair to my colleague, Deputy Jonathan O'Brien, he is the one who pursued this matter. What worries me is that we are left with this ram-jam of a story and we will have to make a...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: To be honest, Mr. Connaghan's response did not add anything. I will do a quick fire round of questions because we all have limited time. I have a habit of drifting through committee meetings and I attended a meeting of the finance committee when representatives of the State Claims Agency appeared before it. I accept the agency's hands are tied in many cases by the legislative basis on...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: How advanced are proposals to unlock the issue we discussed?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I do not wish to be rude but I am caught for time. When Mr. Breen says the State Claims Agency is in line with Government commitments, that is fine and dandy, but we all know there has to be change. We had an extensive discussion on this issue. I read through the transcripts of the meeting last night.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will make a suggestion which will save us all time. Will Mr. Breen write to the committee to explain how this has all changed? That would be useful and would save us time.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have some more quick questions. I first have a question for Mr. Gleeson. I do not live far from his offices, although it is in a different county which beat Tipperary in hurling this year. I also know some of the people who work with him and I have met and spoken to people who work with him and people who work in CervicalCheck. There are some very good, impressive people working in that...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will not get back in.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Who said that?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Who is that?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Let me get this straight because it is important. Mr. Gleeson or someone with him proposed to give Dr. Scally the same full access that the relevant HSE staff had. However, that was shot down in preference for taking the electronic files, putting them on a device - be it a USB device or a CD - and giving that to Dr. Scally, which he has gone ballistic over and which the Minister has called...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am not a big fan of the first report the HSE produced. In fact, it is not what was agreed in the Dáil. However, that is not the issue. Dr. Scally was clear in that he was furious about the documentation. Everyone present knows that. We have now revealed that the people in Limerick just wanted to give him full access. As usual, though, when it went up the food chain, a decision...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: If that is the case, it is amazing. The Minister for Health has had discussions with Dr. Scally since then and I have had communications with the Minister for Health. There is a contradiction in this somewhere. Either Dr. Scally is not telling us that he was offered an opportunity or it was refused to him by someone in the HSE.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: No, I want confirmation now. The HSE should not be able to attend our meetings only to always say that it will have to revert to us. I want confirmation now. I have to walk into the Dáil. The idea of kicking to touch and reverting to us after an answer is agreed is not acceptable. That is why we are back here today.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Now. As to my final question, how many-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Okay, but there is a way-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I do not have an issue with the data protection question. I need Mr. McCallion to be present for my final question. Has Dr. Scally ever-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Has Dr. Scally been to Limerick and met the staff? If he has not, it would be insane. Are there doctors present in Limerick to deal with the serious requests from women who have been affected, particularly those who have cancer, in some cases terminal cancer? I am hearing that there are no doctors there in a capacity to ring the women back. Is that not right, Mr. Connaghan? What is the...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: No. It was on whether Dr. Scally had been-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed) (14 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is unbelievable.