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Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I welcome everybody and thank them for taking the time to attend. I thank and congratulate the Department and the Irish Prison Service for their efforts during Covid, which go beyond the call of duty and have kept many people safe. I want to put one thing on the record which I have forwarded it to the secretariat and the Chair. The Chair can decide on it but I want to put it on the record....

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: On 17 January, I raised an issue of a potential sexual harassment case against a nurse. Initially, Mr. Culliton said there were no agency nurses and then that there may have been some. It turned out there were. CPL is the company they were from. I suggested that he make contact with whatever agencies the Irish Prison Service had used in recent years and asked if there were instances of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: It is not. It is on the record of this committee. It is in the public domain.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: No.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: It is 2019

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Is it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: It absolutely is.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Why not, when it is in the public domain? I am reading from a publicly accessible document.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Will the witnesses provide the Vice Chairman the advice they have from the Attorney General which advised them to come in and stonewall, which is what they are doing and have done to Deputy Munster? They said they cannot answer this and cannot satisfactorily answer that. There is a procedure for everything but what happens is that Deputies, who would be better employed doing constituency...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: We are, and it is a person who is well identified in the media as it is. It is a matter of a court case. It was a court case that was relevant to the actions of this committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: In what way am I breaching that here? I flagged with the secretariat, when inviting the Irish Prison Service, that this issue was coming up.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: So, what we are saying here is that when the Department feels that the Committee of Public Accounts, in undertaking its work, when an officer of the court finds that the committee is implicated in that and that someone was penalised in society by the Department of Justice and its agencies, we are not allowed to raise it and not supposed to raise it. What kind of banana republic are we living in?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Anyway, if I can I will continue and whenever I say anything wrong then by all means stop me. The director general stated at that meeting "As director general, I am absolutely committed to not only supporting and encouraging staff to speak up, but also ensuring that the culture in place at a prison level supports staff being able to come forward and raise issues without fear or favour. Ms...

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: He has given me written permission to mention it here today.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: By way of putting into process and practice the statement of the director general of her unyielding support for people in encouraging them to speak up against wrongdoing, one month after that meeting Ms McCaffrey awarded long service medals to all eligible officers except Mr. McGree.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Why did Ms McCaffrey exclude him as the only person?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I have his permission.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: Is it because it makes the Department and the Irish Prison Service look bad and we cannot have that because the house must always win?

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: I have read all the steps.

Public Accounts Committee: 2019 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 21 - Prisons
Chapter 7 – Catering and Ancillary Services in Prisons
(10 Dec 2020)

Marc MacSharry: My time is so short-----

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