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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I would say you would have sympathy with me on this view. I am as confused now as I was beforehand. For a bit of background, a number of years ago, when I was Minister for Environment, Community and Local Government, a community group in your county came to me about putting in CCTV. Everyone believes in CCTV on motorways.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: They are very good people. They set a precedent and did it very well. In fairness, the superintendent there played a blinder in everything. We have an issue now where funding has been given - it came under community grants when I was there - to put up CCTV around the country in a number of locations. As a result of success and pressure, in fairness, this Government has given a substantial...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Let me clarify our suggestion. The local authority in my county has contacted me. Funding was provided but they cannot agree on issues like those I outlined because of data and all that. If we are going to the CCMA, and it is a good suggestion, we should also write to An Garda Síochána.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Both. Ultimately, this is a situation where in some cases they can do it while in other cases they cannot. There is no consistency. Surely, they can create a protocol that works for the whole country. If we are writing to the CCMA, we should also write to the Department of Justice and Equality and An Garda Síochána.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Let them talk to one another before they reply, otherwise what will happen is we will get three-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: We will get three different letters. That is what will happen.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: There is a difference between the two.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am aware of this issue. Given the discussion we had earlier, I have no issue with holding it over. I believe that this needs to be actioned or put into a pathway where it will be dealt with one way or the other. If the Chairman wants to hold it over for a week, I will wait.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I believe it needs to be put in a pathway.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: To clarify, while I know what we are doing next week, when we receive documentation like this, we have to send it. We have to look for answers. We have to have a process because otherwise it will stay in limbo. We cannot do that. This will have to go to relevant Departments one way or the other. I know we are holding it over to next week but let us not think that because we are holding...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I did not either but the secretariat kindly informed me.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: The Chairman did and we did not hear it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: Deputy MacSharry might contribute first and then I will speak.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I know we are dealing with all of this stuff. This is not just a protected disclosure. There is a process here, which does not make sense, as to how the Irish Prison Service is dealing with this. It links in to what I spoke about earlier about the Toland review and the issue of how the Department of Justice and Equality updates its implementation of justice in the Prison Service. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: He is written to or emailed - it is usually a registered letter - to tell him that he did not turn up for work and his salary has been deducted. I do not think this is happening to every other prison officer who gets leave from local line management, who are not the problem here. He obviously has issues and has raised them in a protected disclosure, the timelines of which, as Deputy...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I thank the Chairman.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: I could not agree more.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Jun 2018)

Alan Kelly: While the Chairman wants to deal with these matters in general next week, this letter is a joke. I am glad we have it. It is making the situation worse for the Department and the HEA. I do not know who is pulling whose chain here. Did the HEA consult with them? On what basis was the letter written? It is full of contradictions based on the evidence we have seen here on multiple...

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