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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Was Mr. Culhane forced, because of the environment that existed, to subscribe to that culture?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Is Mr Kelly wrong in what he said in the final two paragraphs of his statement, namely,, that there was a culture of "This will go away. Let's sit on it and suppress it.". To us, as members of the committee listening to Mr. Culhane's answers, that appears to be the case. It is a question of containment and suppression. The default position is "There is nothing to see here", until, in the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: This is an opinion.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I am putting the question. Does Mr. Culhane feel those words do not adequately capture what is coming out in evidence here today?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: It was this morning.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: We have all that in Mr. Culhane's letter. I am sorry for cutting across him again and for being so tough on him, but these are very important matters that deal with large amounts of taxpayers' money. Having done that and having asked for the report in 2008, how in God's name can Mr. Culhane reconcile looking for, effectively, a criminal investigation into a colleague who was trying to see...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: What is Mr. Barrett's assessment of that last contribution?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: A quick point of clarification from Mr. Culhane. He pointed out that he was accused of a number of things and that he wanted to put on record that he acted in 2008 and reported it. Am I correct in saying then that Deputy Commissioner Rice came back to Mr. Culhane and said that he disagreed with the report and that that was the end of the matter? Is it fair to say that Mr. Culhane has done...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: But later? What happened in the intervening six years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I am not clear. Are we talking about a copy of Mr. Nugent's letter to the Commissioner and it being a problem to provide?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: What is Mr. Nugent referring to?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Could the Chairman give us the running order?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I know we are directing the question to Mr. Nugent but surely Mr. Culhane has responsibility for tax compliance.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: No, but overall.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Just one second-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I know it is only clarification and I know I interrupted on one occasion myself. However, can we come to Deputy Murphy and me for our ten minutes?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: We are growing old here.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I thank the Chairman for calling me; may I put my name down for a third round? We have seen so far that processes, procedures and systems are a riddle wrapped up in a mystery inside an enigma, in terms of who is responsible for what and who communicates with who. On certain issues when we are doing our business there are Chinese walls, on others there seem to be mountains separating one...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(31 May 2017)

Marc MacSharry: It is probably important. While Mr. Ruane checks that can Mr. Culhane say whether he concurs with that recollection of events?

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