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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: All right.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: I thank Professor O'Connor. We need to do a little bit of work on it. I am conscious of the time. We were talking about afforestation earlier. The Teagasc opening statement mentions that " if afforestation rates were to continue at current rates (or up to 3,500 ha per annum) [which would actually be a big improvement on current rates], the forest sink sequestration rate would be less...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: Mr. Spink can be honest here. He is among friends. There is nothing to say he cannot tell the Government it is talking through its hat.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: That is because the forest is not going to be planted.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: It could be said the Department is doing its bit on that given the licencing system it has at the moment, though I do not know if that is its intention. This is obviously very serious because this is to make up a big part of our commitment under LULUCF and is part of the climate action plan. Thus, in all reality, with the best management in place do the witnesses see a scenario given the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: That will have an impact on the post-2030 figures.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: From what year? I hope Dr. Lanigan is not going to say last year.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: That is an elegant diplomatic way of saying that the targets in this part of the climate action plan will not be met and certainly not by 2030.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: That would mean an even greater backlog of timber. Therefore, it will not happen without a big economic cost. That is the point I was trying to make. We had a good discussion on the role of peatlands in carbon emissions, particularly the peatlands that have been brought into agricultural use. Proportionately it might be a small amount of land, but in some parts of the country entire...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: Therefore, we do not actually know what -----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: Would it be of the order of half of that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: It should be more.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: That is good news in one way.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: I have one more question. Does the Chairman wish to come in on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: I have a final question. I see different figures for our targets for organic production. Does Teagasc have a breakdown per hectare of the percentage reduction in emissions following the move to organic production in each of the sectors? Does it know the emissions saved if a beef farm moves to organic production? The same applies in dairy, tillage, etc.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: What is the current figure?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: But even on the sampling of soil-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: Devinish can then extrapolate that across the whole-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: Does Mr. Hagan wish to come in?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Carbon Sequestration and Storage in Agriculture: Discussion (17 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: In the context of the different measures farmers can take on an on-farm basis, are we at a point that with some reliability Devinish can assess the improvements in terms of storage over a period?

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