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Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I move amendment No. 48: In page 59, line 13, to delete “, where satisfied that it is in the public interest to do so,”.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I will withdraw it but reserve the right to reintroduce it on Report Stage.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Yes, briefly. This is an opportunity for the Minister of State to clarify the provisions of section 63, in which case I may be happy to withdraw our opposition to the section. Section 63 deals with the relationship between investigation and criminal proceedings. Subsection (1) states: If a sanction is imposed on a person under section 49(2) or sections 50, 52 or 53,as the case may be,...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I will respond for the purpose of teasing this out. This section is very clear. I refer to the lengthy discussion we had earlier on the interrelationship between failure to comply building control regulations and non-compliance with the competency requirements of the register. If, for example, builder A has been subject to building enforcement by a planning authority and that is used as...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: It does not in any way.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: It would only prevent criminal proceedings under the provisions of this Act with respect to competence.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: It would not under any set of circumstances prevent any criminal prosecutions under the Building Control Acts.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: What is the purpose of it here, just so we are clear?

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: This is explicitly about limiting the scope of third parties to take criminal proceedings on competence.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: What about using a decision of the board-----

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: It would be if it was tried to use that in evidence in third party criminal proceedings in the courts.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Why would that be done? I understand what is being done but why is it being done?

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Sure. I understand that but I am inviting the Minister of State to convince me of the merits of the section. Why would we want to limit the ability of a third party to take criminal proceedings against somebody from a competence perspective? Is it just because the board has made a decision and it is a case of double jeopardy?

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: That is my point. I get that.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: Is it simply a case that we are saying the board has dealt with this matter ultimately through the courts, so somebody else should not be able to prosecute the same offence a second time?

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: It is a clear case of double jeopardy. Okay. A decision on competence could be relevant in terms of evidence to a building control case taken by a local authority. Why would we prohibit the local authority-----

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I know but if the body has done some pretty good investigations and it has led to a serious sanction, such as somebody being struck off, for example, depending on the legal advice on the building control, it should be admissible in court.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I get that.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I accept all that. If, as part of the process, the authority can refer back to a decision by the registration board that somebody was struck off for non-compliance with competency regulations, it could be materially relevant in a building control case by a local authority.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Regulation of Providers of Building Works Bill 2022: Committee Stage (Resumed) (10 Mar 2022)

Eoin Ó Broin: I accept all that but surely the relevance of a determination and sanction under this Act to a building control case should be a matter for a judge. The Minister of State is legally proscribing that, if I understand the section properly, from being used in such a case.

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