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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: After 14 or 15 hours of Oireachtas meetings, that is only coming out now. I would have hoped this would have come out before. That is all I am saying. The witnesses understood it, but the public did not understand it.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: That figure should be €60 million, I would imagine.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am saying to the Secretary General, who is the Accounting Officer, that we will be adjourning and will be back at approximately 2.30 p.m. We need a sheet on this desk and it is horrific to think it is not available at the drop of a hat. We should have had it in a briefing note. We want, as the Deputy said, the three main contractors, BAM, Jones and Mercury, €550 million,...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is only one overall figure.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Not the history, just the------

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I must ask the Deputy to finish up as the voting bloc in the Dáil is beginning. He will get back in immediately afterwards.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy O'Connell.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy's time is up and I want to bring in the final contributor.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is basic.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: As there are quite a few votes to be taken, we will resume at 2.30 p.m.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will conclude on that point and come back at 2.30 p.m.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have two questions. I know that the witnesses say they have been asked different questions in different ways. They have attended three meetings of the Joint Committee on Health and are here today. I would have thought, given that the cost of the project from the Department of Health's point of view is €1.7 billion, of which €1.4 billion is within the Department, with the...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I got the message from the witnesses that the board had fought tooth and nail to provide a full sprinkler system in the hospital. They are children and vulnerable. I know about the rooms, wards and floors where the inpatients were located, but there are four other floors through which the children could have to move to get out. The board appealed the decision to An Bord Pleanála which...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: What building regulations are being used, given that this is a once-off project and that nothing like it has ever been undertaken before? I can understand there are building regulations for offices, hospitals and other buildings, but there is no paediatric hospital in the country to which to compare it. The building regulations about which Mr. Pollock is talking cannot have been written on...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I know that Mr. Pollock said there was an extra cost. What was it?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Did the board go to An Bord Pleanála because it did not want to incur the extra cost or because it thought the sprinklers were not needed? We understand they were not required under the building regulations, but obviously An Bord Pleanála felt it would be a proper sustainable development for the next 100 years. These requirements are now in place, but the witnesses keep telling us...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have made the point. At 2.30 p.m. we hope to have the document in which the sum of €1.7 billion will be broken down. I do not know how long the afternoon session will take as some members will not be coming back. When we come back, we will have a good estimate of how long it will take.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are dealing with the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and the costs relating to the new children's hospital in Dublin. We are joined by officials from the Department of Health. Before the suspension, we asked for a breakdown of the €1.7 billion expected cost, as of today, of completing the project. That is the cost as of today and it will be another issue if further...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is a mobile phone buzzing somewhere.

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