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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Cullinane. Members will be allowed to contribute again. All Members have indicated they want to contribute early.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Perhaps I took too much time.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy's ten minutes are up. She will get another turn.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Connolly.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Can Mr. Breslin provide that to the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: What page is the Deputy on?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are referring to the planning applications costs.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Please provide a breakdown of communications.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is nearly €600,000.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy's time has concluded.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I hate cutting speakers short but a number of Deputies are offering. I call Deputy MacSharry now and we will have ten minute slots to enable others to contribute. The Deputy can contribute a second time if he wants to.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: On what date was the meeting held?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Am I right in understanding that the State is liable to be charged a penalty for not signing by a certain date?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: There was a time limit in the original contract and if it did not go ahead by a certain date there would be a penalty. How much was the penalty to the State for not proceeding at that time?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Right. The State would potentially make a loss if it did not sign phase B by a certain date.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: As such there was pressure to sign it in time. If it was not signed in time and there was then a decision to sign it after further consideration, the State would pay a penalty. The witnesses have been here for two and a half hours. This is the first I have heard of that. Was this penalty made clear to the Joint Committee on Health in the previous three meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Before I go to Deputy Jonathan O'Brien, I must say I am very disappointed to hear that after 11 hours in three meetings of the Joint Committee on Health, three hours in this committee and several opening statements from every representative of the board at all of those committees, it has only now been extracted that the State faced a penalty clause for not signing on time. The witnesses...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are not contractors. Mr. Costello should not expect us to understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Costello assumed everyone understood all that because he understood it.

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