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Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: Exactly.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: It is all right in light bulbs.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: Some of them have banned it outright.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: To paraphrase Mandy Rice-Davies: "They would say that, wouldn't they?"

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: Not a very interesting discussion.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: That does not prevent the forum from reporting on the issue.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: The concentration of fluoride varies radically.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: We have had two.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: Bottle water often has a higher concentration of flouride than tap water.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: There is very strong scientific evidence on both sides.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: I am sorry, but they do.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: Exactly.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: If the Senator would like me to do so, I will second the amendment.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: I formally second the amendment. It is an important matter of public health. I do not think it is a party or partisan matter and I do not expect the Minister to accept this. As I said last week, the Government is not going to accept any amendment. That is blindingly obvious. It is not going to bring the Dáil back at this stage, so we can forget it. No amendments will be accepted -...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: I think we just did not put it to a vote.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: I support the amendment despite what Senator Cullinane has said. The amendment does not enable the forum to recommend but pre-empts a discussion by requiring it to recommend. However, I understand the principle behind the amendment and agree with it. Usually the HSE issues health notices but the water people have traditionally issued the boil water notices.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: Do they not? I thought they did. If I am wrong then I am wrong. There is an immediacy and local knowledge by the people in the water services that lends itself to the matter being brought to the public's attention fairly quickly which is important. Either 15 or 20 years ago, in this House, I raised the issue of public water supplies being tainted with campylobacter and E. coli infection....

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: It depends on the circles in which we move.

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: Exactly. This is precisely the kind of thing that all Members of the House would say if they were lucky enough to be on this consultative forum. I do not see anything in the Bill that outlines how we get there. How does one apply? Are positions advertised? I recall the competition legislation which came through the House several years ago. All public appointments had to be advertised...

Seanad: Water Services Bill 2014: Committee Stage (Resumed) (22 Dec 2014)

David Norris: The Minister paints with a very broad brush in this section. While Senator Cáit Keane referred to various interest groups, she was referring to the explanatory memorandum which is not binding at all. When I say the Minister paints with a very broad brush, I mean he establishes something called the customer consultative forum, which sounds very good, but there is no indication of the...

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