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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: How will that free up availability?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: That is as a result of the veterinary medicines regulation. That regulation was agreed at a European level in 2019, is that right?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Ireland supported the regulations.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Did Dr. Corkery know at that stage these issues would be created with licensed merchants and responsible persons?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: I have to say this is the longest answer to a "Yes" or "No" question I have ever come across. It is very interesting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Dr. Corkery was. The follow-on question was whether or not the Government sought to amend the regulations, which clearly it did not because it did not foresee this would be an issue. We have been dealing with this issue pertaining to the concerns around the derogation. In the Department's briefing circulated to us, I think, at the end of April, it mentioned the chief veterinary officer...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Is Dr. Corkery saying the chief veterinary officer wrote to the European Commission to ask whether Ireland would be able to avail of a derogation that did not exist?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Okay. The following September the Commission responded to a written question from Mr. Chris MacManus, MEP, which stated: "It is up to the particular Member State to confirm whether the conditions of the derogation of Article 105(4) of Regulation (EU) 2019/6 are met." Our chief veterinary officer is writing to the Commission to see whether we can avail of a derogation that did not exist and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Okay. The chief veterinary officer wrote to the Commission and the reply received confirmed that in order to avail of the derogation a professional would have to be prescribing under national law on the date. On 14 July, my colleague, Deputy Cowen, who I welcome to the meeting, then the Minister for Agriculture and the Marine, responded to a parliamentary question I submitted saying: ......

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: I remind Dr. Corkery of the question I put. I asked for "the reason [The Minister's] Department did not seek to introduce legislation to place those in industry currently responsible for the dispensing of medication from operating as a responsible person under the EU Veterinary Medicinal Products Regulation 2019/6." That was my question. I have outlined the response. Does Dr. Corkery see...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: On 3 November 2020, I asked what was essentially the same question of the Minister, Deputy McConalogue. His was a much more detailed answer. It read: "Ireland has no national discretion to now provide for a regime which would permit Responsible Persons in Licensed Merchants or pharmacists to dispense antiparasitic veterinary medicines without a veterinary prescription issued by a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Is Dr. Corkery trying to say that these two responses are the same?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Okay. Is Dr. Corkery saying that the basis for all of this was the chief veterinary officer's engagement with the Commission?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Nobody is arguing against that. The question is not whether this medication should be freely available without checks and balances. The question is whether responsible persons, as previously designated, will be in a position to dispense these products.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: They can provide the medication today.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Next January, they will not be able to.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: EU Regulation on Veterinary Medicinal Products (Resumed): Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine (6 Oct 2021)

Matt Carthy: Absolutely, but many are in licensed merchants,-----

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