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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Did he feel in any way forced to comply with all of this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: That is kind of irrelevant. So what? The guys did not like each other. There was a tension. Big deal. I am not remotely interested in that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: There was no sense of bullying. The synopsis-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: So I notice.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: And the witness has just recently gotten a promotion.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: When was that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: In February. The summation of the witness's position, if I understand him correctly, is that he produced this report in 2008-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: He was well aware, though no one else was, even though all of this happened in plain sight, of everything that was wrong. He was clearly alarmed by it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Nothing happened. He had worked previously in the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General so he knew the gig in terms of disclosure, oversight and the public purse. He could probably write the book on it. Nothing happened and nothing happened. The witness had an exchange with Mr. Barrett, who was provided with the report. Was that on the instruction of Mr. Culhane?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Why did the witness say in the email, "John, how are you doing - Just to reiterate, was very coincidental that I sent report, but has been on my mind for a number of weeks"?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Is the witness absolutely sure that he did not provide the report to Mr. Barrett without the consent or knowledge of Mr. Culhane?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Can Mr. McGee provide in written format, in his own hand and in his own recollection, the precise sequence and dates and of his providing the report and his interactions with Mr. Barrett and so on?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am sure the witness keeps a diary. Does he? He is an accountant, he is bound to be meticulous.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: He did not keep notes on that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay. So Mr. McGee produced his report and nothing happened. He had the interaction with Mr. Barrett. He is reiterating to us that it was his idea that these things be kept quiet and kept away from the Committee of Public Accounts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is not incorrect. The witness has it written in an email-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Does the witness think that is an acceptable thing for someone like him who is paid through the public purse to say?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is not so much that it was written, it is the fact that it was the strategy at play to keep it quiet. Actually, this answers the question as to the conundrum of what was going on. That is what was going on. Despite his more junior rank, Mr. McGee claims that it was all his idea. He concocted this approach.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(14 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: We might have to have Mr. McGee back again as we navigate through these things more.

Questions on Promised Legislation (1 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I did not ask that question.

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