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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Breen has corresponded with the representatives of the family on this issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am referring to the organisation. Mr. Breen is before the committee representing his organisation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am sorry - that is rubbish.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I find this extraordinary.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will do the following: I will give Mr. Breen the details, confidentially. Let me say this on the public record: I think what is happening is wrong and disgraceful. In a scenario such as this, there is a real moral duty to give over the information to families when they request it. The State Claims Agency should facilitate that and I am requesting that it do so within the next 24 hours.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have a final question. Mr. Breen can take a break because it is not a question for him. It relates to ISIF. I want to get this question on the record. ISIF and what it is used for are important. Some investments relate to various energy projects and a range of other potential investments. When it comes to investments and working with State bodies, does the NTMA believe that such...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is a "Yes" or "No" answer. All I want to know is whether there has ever been a situation for ISIF in which Mr. O'Kelly believes that a State body has not put forward a project in a way in which ISIF can invest.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: That is all I wanted to know for the record and for the future.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: A special sitting?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Can we provisionally say 11 October and I will request that at the first meeting back, we re-check and reconsider it? We may need to bring it forward as a special sitting. We will leave it at 11 October but-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (Resumed) (12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: If there are developments, we may need to bring it forward.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency (Resumed)
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed)
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I understand that in an item of Mr. Breen's correspondence, he says he has a record.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency (Resumed)
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed)
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: The point still stands. Why is Mr. Breen not giving this information to the family?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency (Resumed)
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed)
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Breen is wrong. I have it here in front of me. I also have all of Mr. Breen's correspondence which he signed himself. It refers to the immediate release of all documents of any nature whatsoever held by the State Claims Agency, its servants and agents regarding the late individual. It does not say CervicalCheck.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency (Resumed)
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed)
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Breen wrote back to the family solicitor on 22 May.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency (Resumed)
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed)
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: It states that having undertaken searches, one record was located.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency (Resumed)
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed)
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Okay. Can I get back to the principal point? This causes concern and worry. Why is Mr. Breen not releasing the information to the family? The family of the deceased woman looking for information are entitled to it. Why is Mr. Breen not giving it to them?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency (Resumed)
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed)
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: The State Claims Agency is going to charge them €30 to appeal it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency (Resumed)
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed)
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Why did the State Claims Agency not provide it? Why did I have to raise this in the Committee of Public Accounts to force the State Claims Agency to release a record tomorrow when the decision maker, who I will not name, said that the agency will not release the record? Why was this information-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency (Resumed)
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed)
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: This is obviously the whole family.

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