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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Why are we talking about a figure of €1.433 billion, if Mr. Breslin is stating that does not include a single computer?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I understand that. From the point of view of this committee, confining the session to the construction site costs, underground, above ground and everything, and the figure of €1.433 billion will not be a full discussion of what we are here to talk about. Mr. Breslin, as Secretary General of the Department of Health, is now telling us there is another €300 million out there...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I want people to have a pen picture of where the work of that committee has finished and ours is starting to establish further detail. Many people do not get this yet.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: To be clear, the €1.733 billion is not the cost of the project. It is the cost to the Exchequer. How much funding from philanthropic sources will be added to that? What is the project going to cost?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: How much of the €1.433 billion is Exchequer funding? Let us start with that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: So that is hope.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: We had interminable debates on the sale of the national lottery licence. The €200 million yield from the sale of the national lottery was to fund it. Is it included as part of the Exchequer funding?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: So, there was never a separate cheque from the sale of the national lottery licence for €200 million, which was promised one hundred times on the floor of the Dáil specifically for this project.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: It gobbled it up.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: The yield from the sale of the national lottery licence, which everybody in Ireland was assured would do directly towards funding the hospital, went directly to the Exchequer.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: It went into the central fund of Government. I want to put it on the record that it did not go directly to the children's hospital. I am sorry for the interruption but €200 million is a lot of money.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does Mr. Breslin have a schedule which he can share with the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Now that Mr. Breslin has mentioned the Mater, how much has been written off by the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is there another €40 million to deal with the Mater issue?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Breslin elaborate on the €40 million he mentioned in regard to the Mater campus?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Breslin ask one of his support staff to have that information emailed to the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are not a bit happy but we are listening.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are coming to that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Did that go through the same rigor as the bigger additional spend?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay, so we are at €1.73 million.

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