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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: Fine. The board tells us there are claims worth €750 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: Let us look at the worst-case scenario for a moment and assume the contractor would win its claim in all cases. What is the projected worst-case cost of the children's hospital.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: Hang on a second. I am not asking Mr. Gunning whether he thinks the board will win or lose. I am asking what the potential liability to the taxpayer is in the worst-case scenario. I need a figure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: How much is that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: I know. I am giving Mr. Gunning the opportunity to reflect on why he is not prepared to share that figure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: I am giving another opportunity.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: Will Mr. Gunning elaborate on what exactly he meant when he said he was going to disappoint me?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: Mr. Gunning is saying he is not prepared to give us the worst-case scenario cost to the taxpayer were the contractor to be successful in the vast majority of its claims.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: While I would expect the board to do that-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: -----I still think the board has a responsibility to plan for the worst-case scenario and to have a figure for it, bearing in mind this project is funded by the taxpayer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: I am not an actuary but it seems that were the contractor to be successful in the vast majority of these claims, the final figure would be approximately €2.5 billion. The contractor will obviously make claims for which it has grounds. It would not spend money making claims worth €750 million unless it felt it had some grounds.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: Is €2.5 billion reasonable?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: Does the board still have confidence in the contractor?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: Mr. Gunning was scathing in his opening statement.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: I accept that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on New National Children’s Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (12 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: I accept that. What I am trying to do is to get to the bottom of what the project is going to cost. Anyway, the witnesses are not going to say whether they have or do not have confidence in the contractor, so we will leave it at that.

Seanad: Nithe i dtosach suíonna - Commencement Matters: Foreign Birth Registration (6 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: I, too, welcome the Minister of State. I know how busy he is. His presence here is appreciated. This matter is a simple one. I have provided the details on the applicant as additional information. It has to do with registering of births. This couple were abroad when the child arrived prematurely. The mother is from Australia and the dad is from Ireland but they are living in Ireland....

Seanad: Nithe i dtosach suíonna - Commencement Matters: Foreign Birth Registration (6 Jul 2023)

Martin Conway: I thank the Minister of State for the reply. The child was born on 27 December 2022 in Malaysia, and on returning to Ireland, having got the documentation from Australia, the couple engaged in a process of applying to have the child's birth registered. We are talking about, I would imagine, the end of January, so we are talking about four or five months. The problem is that obviously the...

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