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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: I am asking about the board that was in place when all of this money was falling through cracks.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: Who was the accountancy or accounting person on the board?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: I have asked about board of the Arts Council. In terms of good governance, competency-based appointments are very important.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: Who is that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: I clearly asked who was the person who had oversight of this money as it was falling through the cracks.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: There should be a competency-based appointment on the board in terms of finance. Who was that person when the money was falling through the cracks?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: I am a little bit worried about the governance because €141 million is an awful lot of money and €8 million went down the drain as it was spent on a system that is not really fit for purpose. Is Ms McGrath a member of any other boards at present? Was she a member of any other boards at this time?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: How long has Ms McGrath been chair of the National Concert Hall?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: During all of that time was Ms McGrath chair of the National Concert Hall and chair of the Arts Council?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: Was there an overlap of a year?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: So Ms McGrath was on two boards. As chair of the Arts Council, has Ms McGrath approved funding, for example, for artists who would perform in the National Concert Hall, which would create revenue for the National Concert Hall?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: I am just conscious of time. I did ask a specific question on whether the Arts Council funded an artist who performed at the National Concert Hall.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: Okay. That is good.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: Yes. A conflict of interest is obviously very important. I noted it was said earlier, in the opening statement I think, that the Arts Council funds or supports 2,000 individual artists, which is brilliant. Regarding the make-up of this total, does the Arts Council fund traditional musicians?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: Does it fund comedians?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: What does "a small extent" mean out of 2,000 artists?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: Yes, but a dozen sounds a bit low. The arts sector is the arts and it is important there is inclusivity and oversight of where this money is going. Turning to the witnesses from the Department, do they know when the external review, being led by Niamh Brennan, of the governance and organisational culture at the Arts Council will conclude?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: The autumn of this year.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: Does Mr. Ó Coigligh know how much it will cost?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Arts Council Grant Management IT System: Discussion (11 Jun 2025)

Evanne Ní Chuilinn: I understand. Returning to Ms McGrath, regarding the opening statement in relation to ICT and how small bodies should not need to have experts in ICT in-house, does she accept that a State body should have good governance no matter how big or small an organisation it is?

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