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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: Are there hospitals that do not sign up to the service level agreement on an annual basis?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: I assume that from year to year the agreements are fairly similar. Speaking as a lawyer, it would be very strange that one would have to negotiate for another 11 or 12 months.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: It is retrospective.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: How do the service level agreements work? With a hospital, does the HSE say that if it does X number of heart surgeries, it will give it Y amount of funding or does it just give the hospital an open-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: Does the HSE have any suspicions that the taxpayer is paying for services that are not being delivered?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: What can the HSE use to get that oversight to understand what the position is?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: That is good. In terms of the section 38 hospitals, will the service level agreements include performance levels?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: Going forward will we be able to track that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: Is SAP HR being deployed across all HSE sites and voluntary hospitals and is there any pushback on that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: Dr. Withero does not have long.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: Is there any pushback from those hospitals?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: Will it address all of the overpayments, etc?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: I thank Dr. Withero.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: I want to pick up again on the HR systems I was speaking about in the previous round. Beaumont Hospital deployed a payroll and HR system that is going to cost approximately €4.8 million, with an overrun at that, which will be completely and utterly replaced by the SAP HR system. Is this correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: Has SAP confirmed this?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: Is the current provider to Beaumont Hospital SAP?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: The €4.8 million system is external.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: It will be SAP in Beaumont Hospital.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: So there should be a very minimal cost.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2024: Health Service Executive (16 Oct 2025)

Grace Boland: It is not as bad as it first seems.

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