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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: What was the expected schedule of payments for the work to be done in order to complete that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Can Mr. O'Sullivan tell me what they were?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Let me put the question more clearly. The Arts Council was expected to make payments under the contract. What were the milestones? What were the things that triggered payments?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Was it a fixed-price contract or was it on some sort of merit?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Surely within the contract there was a payment schedule.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: No, no. What were the criteria for the payment schedule? Was the schedule based on time or on milestones?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: The milestones were more based on the work they completed in terms of their work as opposed to the delivery of products.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: That would strike me as not being an appropriate mechanism for triggering payments.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: My broader point is this: everybody has had a painter in their house who takes too long, but you do not pay the painter for the number of days they are there; you pay the painter for painting the room. It is a simple example but surely the amount of time they spent on the project was not the only criterion.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I will be honest; I am still not clear what the criteria were.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Was it a standard contract that was used?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: What other agencies are using that similar contract?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I do not want to drift too much into the legal argument because there is a case before us. I would presume that the legal case is that the specific purpose of the contract was not delivered. It is difficult for the witnesses to articulate this morning what steps should have been completed and what was not completed.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I understand the point that Mr. Anyanwu is making. I am also comparing it with the increase in staff which took place in the organisation, with an additional 43 staff in the Arts Council. Surely in the case of a project of this scale - €3 million, which is a huge amount of money - in-house expertise should have been identified far earlier.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: Not only the IT expertise but surely there is an issue here with project management and procurement expertise?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: That seems breathtaking. Would the Arts Council allow grant funding to be given to a project, for example, if it was intended to put on a play in a theatre without having a director?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2023
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Financial Statements 2023: Arts Council
Financial Statements 2023: National Gallery
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2023
Chapter 10 - Measuring the Performance of Arts and Sports Spending
(29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: I will come back in the second round.

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: Departmental Priorities (29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: 160. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform if he will report on the series of actions he has proposed to accelerate the delivery of strategic infrastructure and to support the delivery of housing and improvements in competitiveness; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [27888/25]

Written Answers — Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: National Development Plan (29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: 149. To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform for an overview of the progress made to date under National Strategic Outcome 4 of the National Development Plan 2021-2030; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [27990/25]

Written Answers — Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade: International Agreements (29 May 2025)

Paul McAuliffe: 227. To ask the Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade to outline the outcome of the discussions at European level regarding the EU Trade Association Agreement with Israel; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [27203/25]

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