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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: The point I am trying to make in a roundabout way, or perhaps I am not explaining myself well-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: Let us say the decision on the derogation is being made in July 2025. Brussels will probably work off the EPA report from June 2025, which will use the 2024 tests, which Dr. Cotter said earlier will probably not yet show improvements from actions taken a year earlier, in 2023. It will be hard. This is not a criticism. It is impossible on the day the decision is made to have up-to-date...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: The report will always be a year behind. It is not an issue. I just wanted to get my head around it for arguments going forward.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: The EPA published the 2023 data in June 2024. That is one lag I am talking about. We are working on 2023 tests in June 2024. That is the first time we see the results. If the tests were done in 2023 and Dr. Cotter says there is a lag time of between six months and a year needed for improvements to be seen, realistically we do not see the results of the 2023 actions until the 2024 tests....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: I am trying to get an angle on how close to D day the tests will have been done.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: I would like to get a better idea of how the EPA does its tests and reports. Deputy Fitzmaurice used the example of his river. Now, if I use mine, the River Brosna rises just outside Mullingar and flows into the River Shannon at Shannon Harbour. At how many different points along it would the EPA take water samples on a river that length? What would be the result given for that river?...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: I am just using that river as an example; it could be any river. The Brosna rises at Lough Owel and flows through Mullingar. It has gone through very little land. We would assume that if we took a sample of water from the river and tested it then, it would nearly have to be spot on. It then flows on through Kilbeggan into Clara and passes through more and more farmland and more and more...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: That would be along each river.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: It is done on each individual stretch of river.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: Are they reported as per each individual stretch-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: -----or as an overall figure for a particular river?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: The EPA can identify whereabouts down along a river that the problem is starting or getting worse as it goes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: That is what I was coming at.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: Approximately what length is each stretch?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: Right. I was just wondering how it is done. To ask a hypothetical, far-fetched question, going forward scientifically, can the witnesses ever see a day where there would be the potential for filtration to solve this problem?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: The problem of nitrogen, phosphates and sediments. Is it possible that filtration might solve this issue? I know this is a very hypothetical and far-fetched question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: Sometimes when it is not possible to stop something from getting polluted, it is necessary to think about how to get the pollution back out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: No, I get that. As I said, I-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: It is a hypothetical and far-fetched question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Compliance with the Nitrates Directive and Implications for Ireland: Discussion (Resumed) (10 Jul 2024)

Paul Daly: Is there any possibility of science being able to develop some kind of filtration method with the water going through some kind of dam system? Is it the case that this is not even being thought about, explored or experimented with?

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