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Written Answers — Department of Health: Dental Services (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: 647. To ask the Minister for Health the number of full-time dental staff employed by the HSE in County Leitrim in tabular form; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [23186/21]

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: Thank you, Chairman. Can Mr. Watt hear me?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: I want to address the Cathaoirleach first. It is up to the committee and to the members of the committee to determine our business and to determine how we interact with witnesses. We sought legal advice in relation to our engagement with the whistleblower precisely because we wanted due process and I would say to the witness to be less defensive in relation to that. Also, we have no...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: Let me get to some of those allegations. Then let me not put it to the test but just ascertain what information is held by the Department in relation to all of these cases. Mr. Watt says in his opening statement that there were 230 cases where the Department of Health and the Department of Education are co-defendants. How many cases are there in total? Mr. Watt talks about this going...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: It is the total number. Okay, that is fine. When Mr. Watt says then that the Department was not gathering sensitive medical and educational information, was there any information from private doctor consultations in any of those 230 cases held on a file anywhere by the Department that was not provided by the plaintiff?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: So there were no private doctor consultations or no information from any private doctor consultations in any of the cases.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: What Mr. Watt is telling the committee today is that there is no information that was provided through those private doctor consultations in any of these cases that was not provided by the plaintiffs. Mr. Watt is saying, "Absolutely not".

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: I am not asking about whether it was sought. I am asking whether the information is held and whether it was on any of these files. Whether the Department sought it directly or indirectly, it is whether the Department has the information. Again, I will ask the question directly. Forgive me Mr. Watt, but I am putting the question. What I asked Mr. Watt was not whether the Department sought...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: I am talking about the information that we got from the whistleblowers and the information that was in the "Prime Time" programmes. What I am saying is that we are putting this to the test. If Mr. Watt is saying that there was no case at all where there was information provided from private doctor consultations, I am just asking him the question. Mr. Watt has answered the question. Mr....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: No. I am putting my questions to Mr. Watt. I have other questions as well. If Mr. Watt is saying that there is not any, then we will take it there is not any. I will move on to my next one. The next one is in relation to-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: Can I stop Dr. MacLellan there? What Dr. MacLellan is telling me then is there is at least one case of where information from a private doctor consultation was held?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: Where did the HSE get the information?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: I am asking where the HSE got the information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: This is not the question that I asked. I did not ask whether it was sought. I want to understand the process here. What Dr. MacLellan is saying is that an individual clinician gave the information to the HSE who then gave information to the Department.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: Can I ask Mr. Watt was there any sensitive medical or educational information on children in any of these files or in any way held by the Department?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: Would the parents of those children be aware of the exact nature of all of that sensitive information in all cases?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: I am talking about in all cases. The question I asked was not about most cases. I am asking Mr. Watt about all cases and whether the Department had on file, or however Mr. Watt might wish to characterise it, any sensitive medical or educational information that did not come from the plaintiffs and that the plaintiffs would not have been aware of.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: This is what I am getting at, because those service updates came from the HSE. I am asking if any of those service updates contained sensitive medical and educational information?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: Mr. Watt is telling me that in all cases all that information which came from service providers or through the HSE would have been information the plaintiffs would have been aware of. Therefore, there was no information of any sensitive nature, medical, educational or otherwise, on any of these files that the plaintiffs and their families would not have been aware of.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Whistleblower Allegations: Department of Health (5 May 2021)

David Cullinane: I understand and that is my point. I am saying that in that information-----

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