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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: We will give the agency three weeks if it wants them but I find it offensive and wrong to say it would take three weeks to just go and look at 17 files and say "this is in this category...". There are people and families watching this who would find it bizarre and wrong that it would take three weeks for a public servant to go through 17 files and say "this gets into this category." There...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: We will give the agency three weeks. I do not agree with Mr. Breen but we will give the agency three weeks. Mr. Breen might continue with the answers to my questions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Were there any confidentiality agreements?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Will Mr. Breen come back to us and confirm that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: The public is watching.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am just giving Mr. Breen the opportunity. That is all I am doing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: So there is nothing-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will take that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: The clerk will write to the HSE and ask that question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I support that. I have two other questions. Does the NTMA come under FOI?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: We all know about GDPR. If I looked under FOI or submitted a data protection request for all the information the NTMA and its subsidiaries or related agencies had relating to me, I presume the NTMA would comply and give me everything.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Is that correct? Do all the witnesses agree? Does anyone across the way have anything alternative to say to that? Does anyone disagree with the contention that the NTMA would give over that information?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I know Mr. Breen knows where I am going with this. I have been contacted by the solicitor of a family of one of the women who, unfortunately, passed away and who was one of the group of 221 women. I am sorry to have to read this off my phone but I did not get a chance to print it out because I came in here straightaway. They submitted an FOI request to the NTMA, which was really to the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Breen has corresponded with the representatives of the family on this issue.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am referring to the organisation. Mr. Breen is before the committee representing his organisation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I am sorry - that is rubbish.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I find this extraordinary.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I will do the following: I will give Mr. Breen the details, confidentially. Let me say this on the public record: I think what is happening is wrong and disgraceful. In a scenario such as this, there is a real moral duty to give over the information to families when they request it. The State Claims Agency should facilitate that and I am requesting that it do so within the next 24 hours.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: I have a final question. Mr. Breen can take a break because it is not a question for him. It relates to ISIF. I want to get this question on the record. ISIF and what it is used for are important. Some investments relate to various energy projects and a range of other potential investments. When it comes to investments and working with State bodies, does the NTMA believe that such...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 23: Accounts of the National Treasury Management Agency
National Treasury Management Agency: Financial Statements 2017
(12 Jul 2018)

Alan Kelly: It is a "Yes" or "No" answer. All I want to know is whether there has ever been a situation for ISIF in which Mr. O'Kelly believes that a State body has not put forward a project in a way in which ISIF can invest.

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