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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: In terms of the governance structures, which Ms Licken mentioned are in place, including the annual report and the audit reports, can she point to which audit report or annual report highlighted the issue with regard to the potential outlay to Revenue with regard to the employment contracts?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: I thank Ms Licken for that. In that regard, in terms of the current governance meetings, how many times a year would those meetings take place?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: Who attends the governance meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: With whom does that officer meet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: Given that, as we now know, there is a substantial payment being made to Revenue, do those governance meetings address the safeguards to ensure that there will not be further outlays in that regard?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: Is Ms Licken satisfied that there are no outstanding issues that could result in a future outlay to Revenue with regard to employment contracts?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: This is where I am confused. Ms Licken said that at the governance meetings issues that have been identified are raised, but that she is not sure of the structure that ensures that issues can be caught early. In other words, she is not sure that they can be addressed before they are raised, specifically in terms of contracts. I note Ms Licken's point that an Accounting Officer cannot ever...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: I am sorry. Vice Chair, am I limited for time? How long have I left?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: Perhaps Ms Licken could just outline the role that the BAI and the NewERA approach have in relation to staff contracts within RTÉ. Ms Licken mentioned them a number of times in relation to this matter.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: Would that include staff contracts?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: Am I correct in saying the BAI has no role either-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: -----in terms of staff contracts?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: The difficulty is in terms of public money, which is taxpayers' money. Some €1.2 million of taxpayers' money has gone back to Revenue through a settlement and there may be others.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
Chapter 7 - Oversight of Funding for the European Capital of Culture 2020
(25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: I am not satisfied that we can be sure that the mechanisms are in place to make sure that outstanding issues will be addressed quickly or that issues will not arise in the future.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: I thank the Chairman. It is good to see him back. I have a couple of points. It is incredibly interesting. This relates to the 1997 decision by Revenue to allow couriers be designated as self-employed. I am not sure it was the couriers themselves who benefitted from that arrangement and would argue it was not. The letter states: A review of the 1997 letters from Revenue bears out the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: The fundamental problem here, from a public finances point of view, is that the Department is spending, if I remember correctly, close to €14 million a year sending out paper copies of payslips, which seems to be completely archaic in the modern era and given that most of the public services have moved beyond that practice. From the information we were given by the Department when its...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: I am very concerned about this section of the correspondence relating to the national broadband plan. It seems the ground is being prepared for a further revision downwards of the targets by the end of 2022. I am anxious that we get full clarification of the portion of the correspondence suggesting that certain legacy issues resulting from Covid-19 will continue to impact the contracted...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: It is a useful piece of work. An Taisce is funded through different schemes by a variety of State bodies and Departments. My specific question relates to the correspondence from the Department of Foreign Affairs on the same issue, No. 892. Does the Chairman want to deal with that now or later?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: I have a question in respect of the letter from the Department of Foreign Affairs regarding funding for An Taisce for the Green Schools programme. It is mentioned in the correspondence that the Department was aware of the reinstatement of the 2018 figures in An Taisce's 2019 financial statements and reference is made to a follow-up engagement with An Taisce. The letter goes on to state that...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 Nov 2021)

Matt Carthy: Thank you.

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