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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Approximately 600 people per annum who availed of penalty points are in this category. We have no statistics on them. Over the five-year period, it is 3,003.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Surely, the data should exist for anyone who availed of this in 2011, 2012 and 2013. Those three years are now up for the people in 2013 so we should have that data.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: As such, the RTA cannot tell us if this is a deterrent to drivers drinking and driving again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Is this an effective tool to stop people who were previously drink driving from continuing to do so? When those in the 51 mg to 80 mg bracket are caught, do they reoffend or not? We do not know. I am just looking for the information.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: In the area of technology, the alco-lock and alco-interlock have come up here before. I furnished numerous examples to the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport, Deputy Shane Ross, of systems from around the world. The greatest number of alcohol-related deaths are caused by people who are well over the legal limit and well over the limit covered by this derogation. Would it not,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Much of this meeting has involved talking about drink drivers at lower limits, the problems caused by any alcohol intake and international research, so surely the conclusion is that people should not be able to activate a mechanically-propelled vehicle if they have any alcohol in their system or are over 20 mg.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: We are talking about it in the context of a drink driving Bill.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Outside the argument about retrofitting, in respect of new vehicles coming on the market, is this something the RSA has looked at for all drivers as distinct from offenders?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Working with the EU has been referenced too often. Ms Murdock referenced the smoking ban earlier. We led the way on that. We did not look to Europe to do anything about that. We did that ourselves and we could look at doing the same in terms of other road safety measures.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: That is deterrence. When the technology is there, surely we should embrace it for prevention more than trying to catch people.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Earlier the witnesses were giving the message that we cannot send different messages to drivers about what is and is not an acceptable level of alcohol, that going a little over the limit is not as bad as going further over the limit and that, therefore, this anomaly, as it has been referred to, in section 29 needs to be addressed. Taking that logic, could we not apply the same thing to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: So we are talking about one third of incidents but we have a penalty points system. Someone can commit three or four speeding offences before losing their licence in a certain period of time. How many people lost their licences last year for a single speeding offence?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: It is important in the context of the approach here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Ms Murdock does not know how many people lost their licences last year or any year for a single speeding offence.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: That is for people who accumulate-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: What about speeding?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Surely Ms Murdock should know this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Could Ms Murdock provide us with two specific areas of information? They are the numbers of people who lose their licences for accumulating the total number of penalty points and data regarding people who are disqualified from driving for a single speeding offence, for example, if someone gets clocked driving up the motorway at 100 km/h, is taken to court and disqualified. Could Ms Murdock...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: It is critical because it can impact behaviour. Perception is important. Regardless of whether it is right or wrong, we cannot overlook it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: I know but the point is that it should not be overlooked.