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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: What is the number of the note?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will put it up on the screen. The note is on page 8 of the reply.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Do you want someone to contact the Joint Committee on Communications, Climate Action and Environment? We can do that as a follow-up to this specifically.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: EPA representatives would have been here some years ago, perhaps prior to the last election. There was a major clean-up outside Naas. Deputy Murphy knows all about that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: It cost €60 million. A building was on fire for ages and smoke was bellowing into the town. All the costs of that fell back on the taxpayer. It was a private entity.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Do you want to put that on our work programme?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will start on that basis because EPA representatives appeared before the committee periodically to deal with the annual financial statements. Those meetings dealt with governance, enforcement, costs and so on.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: On that basis, we will add the EPA to our work programme. We will come to that shortly as part of our work programme. I addressed this at the previous meeting when I hit on some of those points. There is great information available and I advise people with an interest in it to examine the document. I read out all the headings and topics in the letter the last day and I will not repeat...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: I recommend that members of the public look at the document on the committee website because they will find it educational. We have dealt with that now and we will put the EPA on our work programme. The next item of correspondence received since the previous meeting is No. 1864 from the private secretary of the Secretary General of the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government....

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Was it hundreds of thousands of euro?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: The recovery is almost zero. It looks more like a bank charge.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: The letter concludes with the director of organisation support and development conveying his apologies again for not having reverted last September. This is because we keep following it up. He states a further update will be provided once the board has a final decision from its insurers regarding the losses incurred. We will note this correspondence. We want a reply or update within three...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: We have no database of the inspections. It is a shambles. Moreover, we raised the matter at this committee previously. To my knowledge, the legislation requires that an inspection take place. If it has not happened in the previous 12 months, it should happen within the first eight months. The Department has utterly stood down in the implementation of that legislation and has referred to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is not. We have said this before. Not only is the Department not in compliance but it does not even have a database to help with compliance.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will come back to it as part of our work on housing. Some of the city and county managers will be coming before us soon, as will representatives of the Department of Housing, Planning and Local Government. We are not finished with the housing topic yet. The Deputy is right to keep it in focus. Furthermore, in relation to HAP we asked for data on the number of individual landlords or...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: Sorry, there were 40,835 HAP properties. There were 24,456 landlords who had one single property while 4,010 had more than one property. A total of 3,402 landlords had between two and five properties, 308 landlords had between six and ten properties and 300 landlords had in excess of ten properties. There was one landlord who had 241 properties in the HAP scheme. We will put that into the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: My reading of the letter from the Office of Government Procurement is that there is a procedure in place but if a project is specific and unique and does not fall within the routine terms, it can seek a "derogation" from going through the normal procedures. Mr. Quinn's letter says that a derogation, if agreed, does not approve the approach or strategy of the contracting authority but simply...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: They do not have to follow-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: The contracting authority is the body responsible and we will be meeting the contracting authority in public session shortly. We will have to concentrate on it because ultimately, it is responsible. It sounds as if the Office of Government Procurement is good for the little jobs but if a big job comes along-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (31 Jan 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is above their pay grade. That is what they are trying to tell us. The next item is No. 1900B from Mr. Gerard Callihane, head of finance at the National Development Finance Agency, NDFA.

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