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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: What about this process? This is a constitutional committee of the State.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I appreciate that-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: If one was a viewer here, one might say that it was curious that it took 16 months to take action on one level and that it was very convenient to be able to put this to GSOC late yesterday evening.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Now, all of a sudden, we cannot ask questions here today because we have to afford due process to people who were in control of taxpayers' money, without prejudice as to whether they did a great or a terrible job with that. We are now not entitled to know that because very conveniently, it was kicked into GSOC yesterday evening and we are not going to know. It is on the never-never. God...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: I am not inferring anything. I am only asking a question-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: -----as to who signed the account that money was in but the Commissioner is saying that she has to protect the identity of that person. I am not saying that person did anything wrong. I am just asking who was in control of the cash.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Okay, I am sure it is fair to assume that all 12,000 gardaí were not signatories on the account so I am just asking who was.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: If there was an investigation into somebody robbing a shop who happened to work in it, that does not preclude somebody from answering a question and providing the names of the people who worked in the shop. What is the problem?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Sure, but-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: The public is not entitled to know the identity of the signatories on an account containing public funds. Is that the position?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: It does not seem that we are getting that, as I am sure the Commissioner will appreciate.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Clearly, there are a number of matters to be investigated. The Commissioner would have been in a position to say: "Look, there is definitely fraud there, we are giving in to GSOC to get it off our desk.." Would there not have been enough in the original report to refer the matter to GSOC?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: The Commissioner can appreciate that from where I sit, the complexion is very much that An Garda Síochána decided to sit on this and contain it as much as possible. We are only here today because of the contributions of some of the Commissioner's senior colleagues on the civilian side and the work of this committee. These matters have been dragged out as opposed to being put out.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: There may have been no intention by the Commissioner, but she cannot speak for everyone in the organisation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Just on that point, when was the last time the Commissioner spoke to Mr. Dunne?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Did the Commissioner speak to him in the last fortnight?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Was there any contact at all through third parties?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: How am I for time?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: Is the Commissioner aware of evidence to this committee that three people at a meeting, including an Assistant Commissioner, were instructed that under no circumstances was the McGee report to be given to internal audit?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Marc MacSharry: The Commissioner would not have been party to any instruction to hide this report from internal audit-----

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