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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: The 2008 to 2012 analysis shows that the 51 mg to 80 mg cohort is responsible for 5.6% of the analysed fatalities. If one also subtracts the 20 mg to 50 mg bracket one is still looking at more than 80% of fatalities caused by other drink drivers. Would it not be far more productive in terms of saving lives to focus on the 80%, the vast majority? That is within the context of drink driving...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Based on the authority's own figures, the logic of the argument is that people are being killed by drivers who register between 51 mg and 80 mg but according to the figures from 2008 and 2012, surely what the RSA should be advocating is that the limit in the legislation would be 20 mg because the numbers between 21 mg and 50 mg are higher than in the 50 mg to 80 mg category? There is no...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Is Ms Murdock not overlooking the fact that in 2008 to 2012, inclusive, 19 people were killed by drivers registering 21 mg to 50 mg of alcohol?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: But not for every driver. The Minister's argument is that there was an anomaly in the punishment for the 50 mg to 80 mg category.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: But is that not equally an anomaly?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Is the inequity in the levels not an anomaly as well?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Could I ask about the impact of the legislative changes that kicked in in October 2010? I am looking at the details from the 2008 to 2012 period, and the figure of 16 in the 51 mg to 80 mg cohort. Could Ms Murdock give us an annual breakdown of those? It is an average of 3.2 per annum. Do the witnesses have an annual breakdown for 2008 to 2012? Did we see a significant drop in 2011 and 2012?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: I have asked for breakdowns because I wanted to know the impact of the changes to the law in 2010.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: I have asked for this over the last couple of months with regard to when the law on limits changed. It is very important that we know-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: It is not the greatest reference period, because there was a change in the law in the middle of it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Do the witnesses not have an annual breakdown of the figures of either the 19 or 16 people in the different categories?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: I am asking about the lower limits. Did the change in law have an impact on people registering in those brackets? I have asked that before as part of the pre-legislative scrutiny process. I still have not got that answer after months of requesting those figures.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: I am not looking for names.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: The witnesses would not be looking for names, just figures. I do not think there are any data issues there, since they are not looking for names of people. They are just looking for a breakdown of the figures. That is not an unreasonable request as part of this process.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: Could I ask-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: The study reference period.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: There are two years, 2011 and 2012. The new law kicked in in October 2010.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: The first three fifths, roughly, of the reference period-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: I am not looking for a margin of error. I am just looking for the facts and a breakdown per annum of the people in those categories per annum. That is all.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: General Scheme of Road Traffic (Fixed Penalty - Drink Driving) Bill 2017: Discussion (Resumed) (17 May 2017)

Brendan Griffin: I think we can interpret the information. As we receive that, we have the ability to go through it and analyse it but we have not been able to receive it. That is the difficulty, following numerous requests.

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