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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I understand. It is slow.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Now that the scheme is up and running, the Irish Council for Social Housing must have some recommendations. I have heard that in the small print it is stated that where someone is in negative equity, nobody talks about it and that it is technically parked, but it can come back and bite him or her at a later date. When banks agree to transfer under the scheme, is there an absolute write-off...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: This is where I am going to be a little critical of the Irish Council for Social Housing. I ask the witnesses to take it in a positive way because we are all here to help people with a housing problem that needs to be dealt with. I will make up a figure. Let us say a house is worth €300,000 and the Irish Council for Social Housing takes it over for €160,000. That is figure...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will ask it the next day. I have read about this issue in the Comptroller and Auditor General's annual report. We mentioned credit union lending. The Central Bank has given approval. Has any of it started to come through?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, I am confused.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are back to a special purpose vehicle before anything can happen.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am still looking at some of the results. Will the Irish Council for Social Housing send us a note explaining it in layman's English? Phrases have been tossed around and the public is lost. Even the majority of Members of the House get lost. Acronyms such as CAS, SHCEP and CLSS are used all the time by everyone.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Then that question is answered. I do not have it in front of me. I will go back to the practical stuff because Deputies run into these issues all of the time. On anti-social behaviour and removing tenants, some of the organisations are slow in that department.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask Ms Donaghy not to speak only about her own experience. We are speaking about the sector.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Have many members of the Irish Council for Social Housing been brought to the RTB for not dealing with these issues?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Are the local authorities governed by the RTB?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am voicing issues about which I hear. It does not necessarily mean that I am promoting them; rather, I am raising them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: What survey?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Was the figure 5%?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: What type of notice? The phrase has been used.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: My point is that where there are issues and there is a process, people will be advised and several will leave before the notice arrives. That is the final recorded figure for the number of people who got to that point. There are probably far more in the system. Not all people wait until they receive a notice before leaving the property. If they see the writing on the wall, they might make...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: They stick it out. Those who leave the properties are back on the doorstep of the local authority. That leads into the issue of approved housing bodies being able to cherry pick, while local authorities cannot do so. I am not saying that is the case, but it is the perception in certain quarters.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: For the record, are many homeless organisations also approved housing bodies?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Simon is another such organisation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is important that the ICSH make the public aware of that. Many people have a certain perception of approved housing bodies. The ICSH should make it clear that its members also deal with front-line homelessness because many people forget that is the case, even though it is obvious when it is pointed out. I ask that the committee be sent a note on payment and availability agreements. I...

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