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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I mentioned the Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions has looked at this issue. Does Mr. Donoghue have a list he could give us? From the point of view of the Committee of Public Accounts, it might be useful that there be a level of subsidiarity such that things can be done at local level. Could Mr. Donoghue give us an overall picture in this regard?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions give us its best stab at it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will ask the office to send that to the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Then we see the scale of what is involved, or the number of cases, that is, legal fees paid by the State. We must fish around, as they say. Perhaps the witnesses will help us with others who have legal powers to prosecute in their own right. The next question I want to ask Mr. Donoghue I will put simply. I am looking at the DPP's annual report. There is lots of good information in it,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The reason I hone in on this is that at a previous Committee of Public Accounts meeting - it might have been with the Department of Justice and Equality on the Garda Síochána Vote - we remarked that, say, an inspector could in any district have 40 cases a day before him and have ten private solicitors. I think we understood that that inspector gets an additional allowance of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is a beautiful proposal to free up the gardaí from going into court to do prosecutions, but I think the costs to the State could be phenomenal if we were to replace the current system. I have no scientific evidence for this claim but I think the cost of what they are being paid relative to what it could otherwise be is very minimal. Turning to the number of prosecutions received,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is the DPP's Annual Report 2017. It looks as if the number of cases, "Total Prosecution Files Received", in the DPP's office has been declining. It was 13,666 last year but was up at 15,000 and 16,000 six, seven and eight years ago. There seems to be a reduction.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is there less crime out there or-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask Mr. Donoghue to explain this decrease to me.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask Mr. Donoghue to say that again because the public will be amazed that the reduction in the number of gardaí led to fewer prosecutions. Does Mr. Donoghue feel there is-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is a real connection there.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: People often think that to be the case but Mr. Donoghue is proving it now.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is great.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Can Mr. Donoghue give us the details of the numbers of cases delegated? I think I read in the report that the DPP can still give instructions in the District Court. In other words, whatever happens of a Friday night, what kinds of cases used to go to the DPP's office that no longer need to go to it for prosecution in the District Court?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Donoghue has no idea of the number of cases. It is 1,000, 2,000, 5,000?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: How many of them are adjournments, though?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Where would we get-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Are some of those parking and traffic cases, though?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts (Resumed)
Vote 3 - Office of the Attorney General
Vote 5 - Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions
Vote 6 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Do they need to come to the DPP?

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