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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: There is big money being-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: It is being funded directly by the HSE. The HSE provides funding for ancillary staff and buildings. To be honest, it has been a bit of eye-opener to see how it operates. There is a systemic problem because a number of different models are being used and are being provided by a whole range of providers. The HSE on this occasion was held over a barrel in trying to respond to this and put...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Many GPs did not come out well from this with the funding provision in Laois, Offaly and the other midlands counties. Deputy Burke is correct that GPs are under significant pressure, but they did not benefit in any way from this. The bottom line is that significant funding is going into the provision of our services. The problem is, as the Deputy outlined, that the services are patchy or...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: I would add to that what staff the HSE is providing and what buildings it is providing. The problem is that while the HSE seems to be providing a lot, the key part of it is the GP provision, which is in many cases administered by a private company. If the private company decides to cease trading, for want of a better term, at a certain date, it will cease trading. That is what happened,...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: There is a mathematical issue. We all know we have slightly more than half the number of GPs we need in the State. It should be one per every 1,100 people the population. I looked at the figures for our region which show it is at more than 2,000. That is the basis of the problem.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have spoken about the finance that is going to the HSE and about the services at the other end. We have looked at mental health. Primary care is the most important of it and there seems to be a complete breakdown between the budget that is going in and what is happening at the far end in services. It is in that space-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will look for that prior to the meeting. Are we agreed that we will add that to the meeting? Agreed. I want to flag to members that the President of the European Parliament, Ms Roberta Metsola, will address a joint sitting of the Dáil and Seanad on 2 February from 2 p.m. until approximately 3.45 p.m. or 4 p.m. Previously, when Ursula von der Leyen addressed the sitting of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: It will be on 2 February. We should bear in mind that we will not have a small session in the morning. The HSE and the Department of Health will be before the committee. It will be a big morning and it will probably run over. I will certainly not be doing anything to cut it off directly at 12:30 p.m. We should bear that in mind. If the President of the European Parliament will be here...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Are members happy enough with that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: If it were the case that there was a smaller engagement that morning, perhaps we could do that. However, in the case of the HSE, it is normally a full schedule. Okay, we will do that. On 9 February, we will engage with the Department of Health regarding the 2021 appropriation accounts as well as chapter 12 of the Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2021, which relates to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Of course we can. It is five weeks out so we can do that but we would need to do it at this meeting to give notice to the secretariat and whatever body we are trying to swap with.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Okay. We will see how we can work this. We agreed some time back to include the Central Bank and the Office of the Revenue Commissioners in our work programme with a view to examining chapter 14 of the Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2021. That chapter concerns the assessment and collection of insurance compensation fund levies. Since 2018, the fund has been maintained and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: The Revenue Commissioners have been in before. The reason for bringing them in is specifically regarding the collection of that levy. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Do we need to bring them in? We have had Revenue in recently.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will not bring them back in unless there is-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: I suggest if it is not relevant we should not bring them in because we had them here on a number of issues recently.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Will we ask for somebody from Revenue to attend?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: Rather than bringing them in as a double-header, we could do that. It would be a better way of doing it. Is that agreed? Agreed. Does any member wish to raise any other matter in relation to the work programme? I mentioned the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine and other Departments may have their finger in the pie of the forestry programme and the performance of it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: A representative from the Department of the Environment, Climate and Communications should be there as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will look for that at the end of what is scheduled here. We will flag it up with those three Departments that two will be represented but the primary one will be agriculture, in the same way we did with housing. That concludes consideration of the work programme. I confirm for the secretariat that Revenue will come in on 23 February in the same way we had the Department in today, in an...

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