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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: Gabhaim buíochas leis an gcoiste as an obair atá déanta. Caithfidh mé a rá go bhfuil ár bplean ag obair. Níl gach duine á mothú go fóill but thógamar 30,000 teach nua anuraidh, sa chéad bhliain dár bplean. B'shin 5,000 níos mó ná ár sprioc. Anuraidh, thógamar níos mó tithe sóisialta...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: Gabhaim buíochas leis an Seanadóir. I will be quick. On resources for authorities, I think on the housing side we have over 300 new posts in social housing and for quantity surveyors, engineers and so on, and about 69 additional posts on affordable housing. As the affordable schemes are rolled out, especially through the local authorities, we have said we will provide further...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: Does the Deputy want me to answer now or finish his questions first?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: That is fine. The range is actually between €500 million and €750 million. There is not an equivalent to the scheme. The Croí-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: I know the Deputy is-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: The press conference earlier today was very clear on that. I am happy to have an opportunity to answer that question. The exact detailed design of the scheme will be worked on between now and-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: If the Deputy is going to ask a question, he should let me answer it. I do not want to start off a three-hour session like this.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: The Deputy gave a good preamble, which I would also like to respond to. We will get to that over the course of the meeting. I dispute-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: No, the Deputy should not put words-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: There is no point in starting this meeting by trying to put words in my mouth. Will the Deputy please let me answer the question? This scheme is based on the Croí Cónaithe city scheme, which has Commission approval, and on the Swedish rental scheme because there is no equivalent scheme for transferring the build-to-rent sector to build-to-cost-rental. This Government supports...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: When you are in government and designing a scheme that is going to be in place for a number of years, you have to make sure you get it right. The options-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: No, that is not at all what I am saying. Detailed work has gone into this. Many of the measures we have taken through Housing for All are very innovative. They are new and they are taking hold.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: The choice here is between a subvention, equity or a combination of both.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: -----July of this year. I am endeavouring to answer as best I can. Sometimes, the answers to housing are not short pithy responses.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: No. If the Deputy read the statement, he will have seen that we got approval from the Government today to move to detailed design after many months of work. This is complex. The Deputy tries to present problems and solutions in respect of housing as very simplistic but they are not. Even though he wishes they were, that is not the reality of the situation. The reality is-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: We want to ramp up delivery of cost rental through the Land Development Agency, which the Deputy is opposed to.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: First, this is a short-term measure. We estimate the figure at €308.5 million rather than €330 million. It is a mix of development levies and Uisce Éireann connection charges. This is pointed at activating stalled permissions. What we will-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Housing for All: Department of Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Resumed) (25 Apr 2023)

Darragh O'Brien: I find it difficult to answer questions when Deputy Ó Broin continues to interrupt me as I am answering them. It is not a question of-----

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