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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It will be very helpful.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We would be worried if there was no mechanism in place. I understand that the Department cannot estimate the third party costs until some of the figures come in, but there are daily rates and legal costs. In advance of this afternoon's session, will the witness indicate who sets the daily rate or who agrees the hourly rate on behalf of the State? Is the Department involved in that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Given that we have an afternoon session with the three legal offices, will the witnesses indicate who sets the rates? Is it the Office of the Attorney General, the Office of the Chief State Solicitor or the State Claims Agency? Who clears or signs off on the rates?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Did the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform approve those rates?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Was it Mr. O'Malley's Department that approved those rates?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Department has offered to provide very helpful, useful and informative information which all members are looking for. We will give it time to prepare that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. O'Malley might also give us the provisional estimate for each of the Departments for 2019. The Department obviously had the figures, even if they may not have been approved. I am asking for the most up-to-date figures. I accept the 2019 figure will be an estimate. At this stage, we can park this issue and consider it again when we receive that information.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does Mr. Fraser have those numbers?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: In writing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am going to ask the Comptroller and Auditor General to help as we are on unusual ground. The payment of €318,000 is paid from the Central Fund and the person responsible for the Central Fund is the Secretary General of the Department of Finance. Am I correct so far?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The payment out is under the functions of the Secretary General of the Department of Finance and not of Mr. Fraser. The Department of Finance will be here in a couple of weeks and is on notice that we will ask about this payment being made from the Central Fund, as other payments from the Central Fund get made. We can ask that Secretary General whether there is a mechanism for accounting...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are not asking Mr. Fraser to answer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is an issue that the committee will consider as part of our next periodic report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Can we be sent a copy of the risk register?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask the Comptroller and Auditor General whether each Department has a risk register.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Every Department has one. Are they updated every quarter?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is annual updates.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is every Department. We have had the HSE give us its quarterly risk. It does a quarterly update and it is voluminous. The HSE is the biggest State body out there. Every Department has a risk register and all we are asking for is a copy of the most recent one. When we see that, we will see what is in it. It is probably subject to freedom of information, if it comes to that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Just send it on to us and it will probably answer the questions. If we have queries on it, we can come back.

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