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Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: That matter is ongoing with the Department of Social Protection and it is not for me to interfere in that. I hope that all staff are treated properly, equally and fairly and I have always said that. In relation to the broader picture, it is my hope that we can reach a decision on the funding model as soon as possible.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: We will have to establish what that figure is. That is unknown. As I said, the Department of Social Protection is continuing the scoping investigation into that classification and potential reclassification. Even RTÉ does not know the final figure yet because the Department of Social Protection is still making its-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I have a timeline here. There was a call with the assistant secretary at 10 a.m. I was asked already to release this, and we are happy to do so if needed. The chair rang the assistant secretary at approximately 10 a.m. to say that she had inadvertently given me incorrect information.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: She said that she made an error and gave me incorrect information in the meetings that week, which were on Monday and Wednesday. She told me about the incorrect information; she said she had forgotten that she had actually did approve that package.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The assistant secretary thanked her for the clarification and said she would report back and let me know. Then she came back and said that to me. I was in Leinster House, and I think it was an hour later that I came back from Leinster House. I do not remember the exact time.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Obviously, there was a conversation between those of us who had been in the meetings on the Monday and the Wednesday. I was quite taken aback, because the line of questioning had been quite detailed, especially on the Wednesday morning, as I have said. I had received the cover letter that was-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes. Then, I made the decision. I said that I would have to write to the chair about this because it is a significant error. The assistant secretary then rang the former chair at approximately 2 p.m. to advise her that I had been concerned about the incorrect information, that I had gone out in public to clarify the record for her and that I would write to state that-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: At that stage, she had just said that the Minister would write to a letter to state that she is disappointed. I feel like I am speaking in the third person about myself, and I do not mean to do that.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I would write a letter to say that I was disappointed. I indicated that a letter was coming. The chair said that she regretted the error. She then stated that she believed she phoned the former Secretary General last October to say that the independent process had concluded and that he would be leaving the organisation. In that phone call she said - this is the language she used - that...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: It probably did, yes.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Not yet. Not at that stage. The new information in that phone call was that she imagined that she had told the former Secretary General of the role of the remuneration committee.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: There was a call after that. I think the Secretary General might have been before a committee. When the Secretary General came back, we spoke to him about this. The chair rang the Secretary General at approximately 2.30 p.m. and-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes, and she expressed to him her unhappiness at the prospect of receiving a letter from me which would reflect my disappointment.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: She stated that she felt that if I wrote a letter saying I was disappointed, she would see that as a lack of confidence and she would have to consider her position.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: There was a call with the assistant secretary at 4.30 p.m. The chair phoned the assistant secretary.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: The chair told the assistant secretary that RTÉ had just received a press query about the approval of exit packages and the role of the remuneration committee.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: I think RTÉ had received a press query from one person or organisation.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: No. The assistant secretary called the former Secretary General because Siún Ní Raghallaigh had indicated that she had imagined that she had spoken to her. She said she was just checking with the former Secretary General. She said she had recalled being told by the chair that the settlement had been reached through independent mediation and that he would be leaving. However, the...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Catherine Martin: Yes, and I was in the process of deciding whether I would send a letter to the former chair.

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