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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay, that is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: The decision was taken. She was collaborating with these folks as she made up her mind one way or the other. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am trying to get clarity on a point. Mr. Ruane advised, in respect of the Garda Síochána Act 2005, that a disclosure be made under section 41. Ms O'Sullivan received that advice and then discussed, conferred, debated and deliberated on that advice with Mr. Twomey, Mr. Ó Cualáin and who else?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Just bear with me. We will go there. I just want clarity. She had the advice and then conferred with Mr. Twomey, Mr. Ó Cualáin, Mr. Dunne-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Did she confer with Mr. Culhane?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Okay. I have a letter that was referred to earlier, which refers to Mr. Barrett and was written by Mr. Culhane. It was sent to the Commissioner and deputy commissioners and is dated 24 October 2015. It is pretty excoriating in respect of Mr. Barrett. I think Ms O'Sullivan would recognise that the language is pretty choice and dramatic. The interesting thing is that the title of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: No, no.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: No, excuse me. Ms O'Sullivan is not doing that. Stick to the knitting.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I do not want a big long narrative from Ms O'Sullivan.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I would like Ms O'Sullivan to answer briefly.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Briefly-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: -----and to the point.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: With all due respect, the Commissioner is doing a bit of verbal pilates in terms of how she is presenting the fact. She did not interpret Mr. Culhane's letter as an attempt to dissuade disclosure one way or the other. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I am delighted. I am not interested in her pastimes. I want to move on to another piece of correspondence. This is again from Mr. Culhane, but was sent to Mr. Kelly. It is dated 13 October 2016. He wrote this a couple of weeks before he wrote to the Commissioner. In this letter, he takes Mr. Kelly to task. He accuses him of being unprofessional, misleading and mischievous. He...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: Whatever the date, we can clarify that after Ms O'Sullivan accepts she knows the letter to which I am referring.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: I want Ms O'Sullivan to clarify that he wrote to her - I have the letter here - he said this is very serious, in reference to the head of internal audit, and something needs to happen. Either the accusation needs to be withdrawn by Mr. Culhane or it needs to be overruled by a superior authority. My understanding is that the remarks were not withdrawn, nor were they overruled by a superior...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - Garda Síochána - Internal Audit Report on Garda College, Templemore (Resumed)
(20 Jun 2017)

Mary Lou McDonald: It is 55-262802/15. It is a letter from Mr. Michael Howard, chair of the Garda audit committee, to Commissioner O'Sullivan. I understood it was dated 19 April.

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