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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will state it correctly. We have received a summary. Net voted expenditure in 2017 was €3.609 million. Allied services expenditure, including the amount from the Central Fund, was €5.039 million, thus giving total expenditure of €8.918 million. The figure includes the salary and pension payments of the President and the particular allowance referred to previously....

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will explain it for the benefit of the public because it relates to the President's Establishment. There is a payment of €894,000 from the Central Fund to the Vote. It includes the allowances for the President, pension payments to former office holders and what is called the 1938 allowance paid under a statutory instrument.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The figure of €894,000 includes the sum of €317,000. It is important to note that it is paid from the Central Fund by the Department of Finance. The Secretary General of the Department of Finance is the Accounting Officer for the Central Fund. Am I correct in saying he is the person responsible? The Secretary General of the Department of Finance will shortly be before the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The question arises of what happens after that. We will take up the matter with the Secretary General of the Department of Finance.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We understand someone was incapacitated for a period.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does Mr. Frazer know whether the surplus has been received?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It was an electronic transfer, but it has been remitted.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy walked into that one.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It was our call.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is £2,000 converted into euros.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will give the Deputy the background to the issue because I am uniquely placed. I chaired the committee on-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am not but I chaired the Joint Committee on Finance and the Public Service when Charlie McCreevy was Minister and Deputy Noonan - another former Minister - was the main Opposition spokesperson. At that time, the bounty was £100. At the turn of the millennium, Deputy Noonan suggested that, because it was the year 2000, the bounty should be increased from £100 to £2,000. The...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will live longer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Do they charge interest according to the age?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Perhaps, the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform has a handle on the costs.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, to set it up but the monitoring of cost is what Deputy Cullinane is asking about.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Fraser is the Accounting Officer.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform must have some idea of how the costs are going. If it has no idea, this is a bigger issue because it would mean there is a blank cheque. What information does the Department have? Someone must have some idea. If the position is that no one has any idea what the cost of the commission of investigation will be, then the commission should be...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Which Departments now have a commission under their remit?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 1 - President's Establishment
Vote 2 - Department of the Taoiseach
(7 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: That would be very helpful. There is a method of collecting data on how many days are logged by the different legal representatives.

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