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Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is it possible for somebody here to get it?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is it possible for this information to be emailed to the committee within the next hour or so?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: You are not to identify any individual.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have got a message from the Oireachtas broadcasting system. Please put all devices on airplane mode. Silent mode is not enough. You cannot be sending text messages in the committee room. It is interfering with the recording system. That is across the board and applies to everyone in the room and those in the Visitors Gallery.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is a matter for the Garda. Let us be clear. The Comptroller and Auditor General produced this report. In normal circumstances we would look at this situation. In the interim the matter has been referred to the Garda. One could make the case that we should not be discussing the matter because it is before the Garda, but we decided to discuss the matter within very limited strictures....

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am moving on to Deputy Connolly because Deputy Aylward has taken 23 minutes in a 15 minute slot.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is a time overrun and a cost overrun.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Explain the chambers for the benefit of the public.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The board normally meets in the council chambers.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is a national issue now.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: And there are staffing recruitment and retention issues?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The then chief executive officer.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Ó Foghlú said he had to wait for the reports.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Would Mr. Merrick, as chairman of the board, like to comment briefly?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Kelly referred to the audit. As we know, the internal audit function is facing challenges and there is external support based in County Cavan. It is a nationwide service although Dublin has yet to be included. Who decides what particular aspect of the organisation an internal audit should examine? If the team travels from County Cavan, how does it know what it is coming to do? What...

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: If there is a specific issue in counties Wicklow or Kildare that is not an issue everywhere else, how do the people in County Cavan know what the issue is?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: In the ETB.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: The internal audit group, however, is fairly external to the organisation. There is an opportunity for the ETB audit group to make a suggestion but it seems to be fairly external to the board.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: A shared service, however, is not internal to each specific ETB.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is my point exactly. If an issue that emerges in an ETB does not emerge across the board, there does not seem to be a mechanism for that to be identified. We need to examine these three issues nationally but there might be specific issues in an ETB that are not captured by the national audit. If the group does an internal audit in an ETB, there could be a significant problem but it...

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