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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: We will answer that question for Mr. Miley before the end of the meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: Before the end of this meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: No, before the end of this meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: I have some questions for the group. Sammon was paid €85.3 million of an €87 million contract. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: It is correct. A total of €85.3 million of a contract worth €87 million was paid. The National Development Finance Agency had oversight of the system of payment. It seems that the main contractor was paid and that money did not filter down to the other contractors. Is that the position?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: Those mentioned are last in line.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: I return to a point raised by Mjr. Miley, namely, that a sum of €250 million is unpaid. From where does that figure come?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: Is that €10 million per year for management?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: The management of various projects which are not now to be undertaken.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: The €250 million figure to which Mr. Miley refers is actually part of another contract; it is not €250 million that is sitting there to be used freely.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: Okay, that is fair.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: These are all questions and clarifications. I will answer Mr. Hennebry's questions at the end.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: It is. I do not have the figures before me, but we were given them the last day.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: Yes. I am just trying to have some things clarified. With whom did Ms Tina Walsh have a contract?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: Directly with it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: Ms Walsh's contract with Sammon clearly specifies that the goods will not return to the ownership of-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: This is a question for all of the delegates. According to the NDFA, there was an arrangement within the overall contract that each month it would ensure the subcontractors were paid. The people here are subcontractors to the subcontractors. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: Why is it that the payments were stalled? Were the companies collecting each month or were they not being paid each and it all built up?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: It is a stalling tactic.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Contractual Arrangements for Public Sector Infrastructural Projects: Discussion (5 Jul 2018)

John McGuinness: Was that everyone's experience?

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