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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Deputy Connolly is asking where it all goes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will tell the Deputy. At the commencement of our work three or four years ago, we found that only 30% of the 300 bodies audited by the Comptroller and Auditor General had submitted their accounts within three months of the year end. That figure rose to 78% for 2017, not only as a result of the Comptroller and Auditor General's insistence but also the committee's refusal to accept it. One...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will move on. I expect people to be satisfied that the matter is on a work programme. We will request the details of the note on the internal audit function. The next matter is the Mayo, Sligo and Leitrim Education and Training Board. There are similar issues, such as non-compliance. We will not discuss this now but we will request a detailed note. Concerns arise regarding internal...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, we will discuss the work programme shortly.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, we will do so presently. The next items are the State property miscellaneous deposit account, for which there is a clear audit opinion; the Ireland-United States Educational Fund, for which there is a clear audit opinion; the intestate estates fund account, for which there is a clear audit opinion; and the sundry moneys account, where amounts are held pending the final instructions of...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: There are four organisations. In one, money is in a suspense account waiting to be allocated. In the intestate estates fund, the balance is in the fund. The State property deposit account money mainly comprises the residual assets of dissolved companies. Who manages these funds? Are they not managed by the NTMA?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is in limbo. It is similar to a dormant account fund. The money goes into a fund but shareholders can reclaim it if they can prove it is theirs.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Who manages that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, it was one of the ETBs the committee highlighted a year and a half ago.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will now examine the work programme on the screen. We wish to discuss some of the correspondence received in respect of the national children's hospital. We will not have a lengthy discussion on the matter now because there is nothing major. The key issue is that we know who is appearing before the committee later in the meeting. Next week, we have arranged a session on the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: That was published yesterday.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will definitely invite the chairman of the current board and the chief executive. They will be the two key people. They will be here next week. We did not invite the former chief executive. He is not there now. We know he said here on the record that he would come when the report was completed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: It has been referred to the Garda Síochána. The Thorn report-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: They will.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will hold over discussion on that. Departmental officials will be here. The Comptroller and Auditor General might wish to make a quick comment. As of now it is on our agenda for next Thursday unless the Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform appears instead, in which case we will reschedule it as urgently as possible thereafter.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will hold over discussion on that until the meeting with it, which will happen very quickly - either next Thursday or soon thereafter. We will not go through the work programme. Members can see the gist of it and we have discussed it previously. Before we complete this issue, at the last meeting Deputy Kelly asked about the reporting obligations of directors of State bodies to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I ask him to summarise it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: To clarify, it is possible to have a State company that is a company and a State body that is just-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (14 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is a big distinction between the two.

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